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Re: Uber Hires Former Google Search Chief Amit Singhal as SVP of Engineering

#181

I'm really confused on what to think about Uber. My personal thinking/logic is really bearish on them, similar to the post on the front page yesterday [1]. However, I keep seeing extremely smart/accomplished people joining it which makes me second guess my intuition. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13437414

The way I see it,money(capital contribution) looted by saudis by selling oil is being distributed back to the drivers and passengers of the different countries.

Re: Uber Hires Former Google Search Chief Amit Singhal as SVP of Engineering

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>Google doesn't care about organic results any more. That's BS, frankly. Do they care less than they used to, though? Their placement on the screen as opposed to KG, widgets, and ads..and how that's progressed over time, seems to imply it.

Google seems to have largely solved its biggest problem: spammy results. It's very hard to find sites in the top results for strong keywords with poor backlink profiles. It has done this by a) Actually improving its spammy backlink detection, and b) Scary webmasters away from spammy SEO tactics through sudden updates like Panda/Penguin and straight up propaganda. Once you solve the spam issue, Google's search results…

That's interesting, and would explain why no replacement was named for Matt.

I wonder how much they actually improved the webspam thing.

The search results you see today, versus years past, suggest a sort of "cheat" to do that...something like a seed set of trusted sites (big brands, universities, government sites, etc) , and weighting based on distance from those seeds.

I say that because I'll often get results that are heavy on authority, but low on relevance. What I'm looking for is on pages 2 and 3, on more niche, less prominent sites. It didn't used to be that way.

Re: Uber Hires Former Google Search Chief Amit Singhal as SVP of Engineering

#183

I'm really confused on what to think about Uber. My personal thinking/logic is really bearish on them, similar to the post on the front page yesterday [1]. However, I keep seeing extremely smart/accomplished people joining it which makes me second guess my intuition. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13437414

Uber team member here. I was skeptical for a very long time as well, but I've been won over. The challenges are fantastic, the work intense (yet I still have time for family) and I'm part of the best team I've ever been on. The last year or so has been the best of my professional life. I would highly recommend a closer look.

A few asked why I didn't address the sustainable business question directly. I prefer to decline due to disclosure reasons as I'm a stickler for following those.

Re: Uber Hires Former Google Search Chief Amit Singhal as SVP of Engineering

#184
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That's a pattern among very senior googlers. When they get bored of working, they go to other companies to semi-retire. I'm almost certain this is not going to be any different.

Not sure Uber is the semi-retire kind of place for this sort of thing. They have a reputation for working people hard.

People, sure. But he's not "people".

Re: Uber Hires Former Google Search Chief Amit Singhal as SVP of Engineering

#185

I'm really confused on what to think about Uber. My personal thinking/logic is really bearish on them, similar to the post on the front page yesterday [1]. However, I keep seeing extremely smart/accomplished people joining it which makes me second guess my intuition. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13437414

Uber has done nearly everything right. I think its main vulnerability is that its laborers are a fickle bunch and Uber hasn't done enough to inspire any loyalty. All Uber drivers I talk to alternate between Uber and Lyft and exploit any promotions or incentives either firm offers. Uber has the opportunity to revolutionize not just logistics but also on-demand employment, but has lagged in the latter, leaving the door…

When in Austin, I've talked to a lot of former Uber drivers who have moved to other ridesharing services like Wingz. I have yet to find one that doesn't prefer their current service over Uber.

Re: Uber Hires Former Google Search Chief Amit Singhal as SVP of Engineering

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Okay...the top two publicly visible leaders in the space leaving in the same timeframe could mean something. Perhaps in this case it does not. I don't think either of us knows for sure. It does, however, pique my interest in what the group direction is now. What of the decision to not replace Matt with a specific role or person? Is that not interesting? And, again, I mentioned many other observations, not just Amit a…

Singhal's title at Uber says that he is in charge of marketplaces and maps, not the self-driving stuff. So this would be stuff like pricing, dispatch, supply optimization, and route optimization which rely on traditional algorithms and not ML. But I agree with your larger point and find his departure from Google curious. Even if they were moving search in another direction or he was completely bored with what he was…

Supposedly, they leverage machine learning across those areas as well...perhaps not as the primary foundation, but used there nonetheless.

http://venturebeat.com/2016/11/02/uber-is-rolling-out-a-big-...

https://newsroom.uber.com/inferring-uber-rider-destinations/

There's other references, but you get the idea.

Re: Uber Hires Former Google Search Chief Amit Singhal as SVP of Engineering

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Can you give the gist? You piqued my interest, but the app looks like the rabbit hole I'd rather not go down.

There seem to be two modes. First, it seems everyone hates it there and management is terrible and people get fired with no severance all the time. The other mode is aggressive recruiting. Here's an actual interaction I had: Me: I'm torn between doing something new and staying where I'm at. Random Uber employee: Hey, you should join Uber. Hit me up and I'll refer you. Me: I can assure you I'm not interested. Random U…

Is it really that easy to get a referral? I'm applying for internships and I applied to Uber (online) a while ago and have heard nothing. Meanwhile, all but one of the places I have been interviewed (Google, Amazon, etc.) were places where I friend referred me. The interview rate has been 70% for places I've been referred vs. 3% for places I haven't, so getting one has been key.

Unfortunately, I wasn't able to join Blind since I don't have a work email that they're available to.

Re: Uber Hires Former Google Search Chief Amit Singhal as SVP of Engineering

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I don't think their position is safe but I'd probably bet on them or google winning that market over anyone else.

I'd bet on Google, Tesla, and Mercedes before Uber, since they all have vehicles with more than a week on the road and cash-positive revenue streams to support further development. Uber burned through ~30% of their $11B in cash just in 2016 alone.

Uber will be able to get cash in the future if self driving tech matures to transition. It'll be a multi billion dollar opportunity, capital will be lining up to invest in the ride hailing market leader.

Re: Uber Hires Former Google Search Chief Amit Singhal as SVP of Engineering

#189

I'm really confused on what to think about Uber. My personal thinking/logic is really bearish on them, similar to the post on the front page yesterday [1]. However, I keep seeing extremely smart/accomplished people joining it which makes me second guess my intuition. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13437414

Uber has done nearly everything right. I think its main vulnerability is that its laborers are a fickle bunch and Uber hasn't done enough to inspire any loyalty. All Uber drivers I talk to alternate between Uber and Lyft and exploit any promotions or incentives either firm offers. Uber has the opportunity to revolutionize not just logistics but also on-demand employment, but has lagged in the latter, leaving the door…

I thought Uber wanted its drivers classified as consultants, not employees. Though measures would work against it.

Re: Uber Hires Former Google Search Chief Amit Singhal as SVP of Engineering

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Is he worth billions?

He's clearly worth enough to not have to work for anyone, many times over.

Yeah, joining Google before IPO would be pretty lucrative.

What I don't understand is the multitude of students who STILL want to join Google, even though they will likely be munging data from one format to another, for years.

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