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Microsoft is bringing Windows 10, with desktop app support, to ARM chipsets
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Re: Microsoft is bringing Windows 10, with desktop app support, to ARM chipsets
#182Make this platform "extendable" - a la Motorola and Moto Z Droid - and MS might be on to something. It's silly how much redundant hardware each of us own. It's then just a matter of apps. If that's dev once for all Win 10, then the future looks bright.
You know what I don't get is why on Earth do game publishers and console manufacturers like Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo get in the way of people's creativity.
This arcane idea of make a big huge console and filter the hell out of content on it is like prehistoric now. Ok, yo don't want spam, virus or stuff like that but I don't get why these companies don't just let go. Why make yourself a bottleneck!?
Look at Google's ranking method. The more a page is liked the higher it appears when doing a search.
Wouldn't it be funny if Google said, no "submit" your pages to us and we will review which ones should be listed on our search engine!? That's what these old school console ecosystems are doing.
Make a 100% open ecosystem, make it not depend on a particular hardware or operating system and let people create.
It's like you know depending on hardware is a limiting factor, you know depending on a particular OS is a limiting factor, you know manual filtering of content is a limiting factor.
What do people want!? As a player I want a game streaming service, as a developer I want a multiplayer networking service to build my game on. The rest is history...
Why not just build the infrastructure, relief yourself from all that stuff like H/W, O/S, etc. (make it someone else's pain). Why!?
Re: Microsoft is bringing Windows 10, with desktop app support, to ARM chipsets
#183Though there are many negative comments here,I think this is going to be huge for win for many if they deliver the mobile part decently.
At least if they port windows phones basic apps as it is (caller,messages,email etc),I will give it a try
-You have a decent working portable machine with amazing battery life
- You can domain join your phone and you will be able to access your internal apps
-Continuum will be anyway present so you can attach to other devices
Re: Microsoft is bringing Windows 10, with desktop app support, to ARM chipsets
#184Microsoft are telling us this. When they deliver it I'll believe it. As a Microsoft focused developer for 22 years and a windows phone user, everything still feels like its held together by sticky tape and string at the moment. It works but inconsistency and sometimes show stopping failures just ruin it. As an example, Windows 10 Mail just stopped working for me for 11 hours throwing an update settings notification l…
You've been a Microsoft focused developer for 22 years, and you're _still_ surprised by quality issues with their software?
Re: Microsoft is bringing Windows 10, with desktop app support, to ARM chipsets
#185Earlier quoted context omitted.
But that's not the vision from the article ("Microsoft is about to turn a phone into a real PC") or this thread. Take a phone and plug in a bigger display and keyboard and mouse and suddenly it's a desktop computer. So a single application is going to need to cope with a 4" touchscreen display with no keyboard or mouse as well as a multi-monitor setup without touch, but with a keyboard and mouse.
> So a single application is going to need to cope with a 4" touchscreen display with no keyboard or mouse as well as a multi-monitor setup without touch, but with a keyboard and mouse. Only if it makes sense for that application. It doesn't mean that every desktop app would be usable on the phone. Or vice versa, for that matter; although it is much more rare for a phone app to not be useful on the desktop.
Admittedly, it is getting better on the desktop.
As a desktop user, Windows 8 seemed ludicrous to me. Fire up a 4-function calculator or start the weather app and it gave me a full-screen view. Windows 10 is far better although they still show UI elements sized for touch even though I don't have a touchscreen.
> It doesn't mean that every desktop app would be usable on the phone.
The base computer should probably be a watch, not the phone.
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#186Earlier quoted context omitted.
> If it's really for 5-10 years from now, they should release it in 5-10 years when it's fully baked. You can't go dark and build a product for 5-10 years and then drop it on the market. While you're "baking" for years the market will change around you and you'll find that you built the wrong thing and someone else launched early and took the whole market with iterative improvements. > Poorly thought out, badly imple…
But as so explained the example given - MS tablet computers or 'pen computing' shows the opposite. The modern Windows Phone OS would never have happened if Apple hadn't brought out the iPhone. They still be iterating on Windows Mobile. They had to throw out every bit if mobile tech they had and go back to square one. That's almost impossible to do on your own initiative if you've already got an existing viable produc…
> throw out every bit if mobile tech they had
WP7 run on Windows CE kernel, same as Windows Mobile. It uses embedded version of .NET and Silverlight, both pre-existing. Even the touchscreen friendly UI language (once called Metro) existed before windows phone, the first product was Zune.
The only bits they had to throw out is marketing bits, branding, logos, that kind of BS. The tech however is an evolution, not "back to square one".
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#187Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's a start, Amazon is smart to move in that market. I say put Linux on it and add a keyboard and we'd be getting somewhere.
The market for people who care about Linux on a 7" tablet is effectively zero. I'm also pretty sure it supports keyboards. Attaching one permanently and turning it into a 7" laptop would make it unsellable.
I still have a WeTab at home that used to run Plasma Mobile (or whatever it was called back then). Those were the times.
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#188Earlier quoted context omitted.
You're worrying about ill-informed speculation about a hypothetical product? ;-)
No, I'm worrying about a strategy that would have been a bit easier to implement. I have about as much belief in the hypothetical nature of a Surface Phone as people had about an Apple Phone. An intel chip would have made much more sense for Microsoft.
No, it wouldn't. Microsoft's long term preference is to move to sandboxed apps downloaded from the Windows Store.
If you're running Windows 10 on a smartphone with an Intel chip then you're potentially leaving yourself open to badly-written Win32 programs that can have devastating effects on performance, security and battery life.
If you're only going to allow UWP apps then it doesn't matter whether it's a ARM chip or an Intel chip.
In passing, OEMs can already make and sell Intel-based smartphones and tablets with free Windows 10. However, Intel-based phones like the Asus ZenPhone weren't successful, which is why Intel dropped the new Atom SoCs for phones and tablets....
Re: Microsoft is bringing Windows 10, with desktop app support, to ARM chipsets
#189Microsoft are telling us this. When they deliver it I'll believe it. As a Microsoft focused developer for 22 years and a windows phone user, everything still feels like its held together by sticky tape and string at the moment. It works but inconsistency and sometimes show stopping failures just ruin it. As an example, Windows 10 Mail just stopped working for me for 11 hours throwing an update settings notification l…
You've been a Microsoft focused developer for 22 years, and you're _still_ surprised by quality issues with their software?
I'm still surprised at how many things they can completely fuck up in one go. That is increasing.
Re: Microsoft is bringing Windows 10, with desktop app support, to ARM chipsets
#190Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's a start, Amazon is smart to move in that market. I say put Linux on it and add a keyboard and we'd be getting somewhere.
The market for people who care about Linux on a 7" tablet is effectively zero. I'm also pretty sure it supports keyboards. Attaching one permanently and turning it into a 7" laptop would make it unsellable.
Does Android allow you to do any meaningful work? The OS is more of a problem than the form factor. Kindle is for games and Netflix not for homework or doing your taxes.