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Firefox Focus – a free, fast and easy to use private browser for iOS

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Re: Firefox Focus – a free, fast and easy to use private browser for iOS

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I wonder why not DuckDuckGo. Perhaps Mozilla has a sponsorship from Yahoo.

No, they admitted they ran out of time and just went with defaults of a few things. They have a ticket open to solve this issue already.

For reference the bug is here

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1318359

Re: Firefox Focus – a free, fast and easy to use private browser for iOS

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i would hope so. do you want your users to legally force you to change your product because it's not what they want?

We're not talking about "users" we're talking about browser apps that are arbitrarily prohibited from participating properly.

So the "makers" of browser apps should be considered to have a more important stake in Apple's product than the users?

Re: Firefox Focus – a free, fast and easy to use private browser for iOS

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It works well, but unsurprisingly, they screwed up privacy once again by sending data to some company ( https://www.adjust.com ) in the background: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/11/17/mozilla_launches_pri... Doesn't seem to be possible to turn it off (the instructions at https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/send-anonymous-usage-da... : do not work, there is no such settings menu for "Klar by Firefox"?). Perhaps I…

If you use Klar then you have not yet received the 2.0 update. We hope to send it out pretty soon. Sorry the German market is unfortunately a little different in this case. Same product but with a different name. Silly reasons.

Re: Firefox Focus – a free, fast and easy to use private browser for iOS

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If Firefox Focus is a privacy browser, it should bundle something like HTTPS Everywhere.

It does use an extensive HSTS preload list. So if you go to for example http://Bugzilla.mozilla.org it will actually never hit http and go straight to https.

Same list as in Firefox and Chrome. (iOS feature, all apps get this for free)

Re: Firefox Focus – a free, fast and easy to use private browser for iOS

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post #182

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We're not talking about "users" we're talking about browser apps that are arbitrarily prohibited from participating properly.

So the "makers" of browser apps should be considered to have a more important stake in Apple's product than the users?

Users of iOS don't have any input over Apple policies governing whom may publish what so how are they relevant?

But if you replace "users" with "Apple executives" and the end result is Firefox, Chrome, Edge, Opera, and anyone who cares to may create an unimpeded browser... then absolutely that voice should carry more weight than "Apple executives" on this occasion.

Re: Firefox Focus – a free, fast and easy to use private browser for iOS

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Is this targeted at Brendan Eich's https://brave.com ?

Speaking of Brave, how does it perform in terms of web standards compliance, amount of trackers and ads blocked, and RAM and CPU usage compared to Firefox + uBlock Origin and/or uMatrix? --- Edit: I decided to do a quick test using panopticlick. Here are the results. - Firefox with uBlock Origin and uMatrix: fingerprint appears to be unique. fingerprint conveys at least 17.47 bits of identifying information. - Brave:…

Brave performs better in terms of blocking ads - I tried it today vs Focus and have switched to it now.

Re: Firefox Focus – a free, fast and easy to use private browser for iOS

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Assuming you could sue, what is the motivation for this? If you dislike the ecosystem so much, jump ship to the #1 mobile ecosystem, Android. What am I missing? Apple popularity in the US is unusually high?

Apple's devices are hugely popular among higher-income individuals, especially in the United States. Benedict Evans has written that there are 650 million iOS devices in active use globally. According to App Annie, roughly 2/3 of mobile application revenues are through the App Store. The other 1/3 is Google Play. Considering how much consumers have invested in the Apple ecosystem across multiple devices, it's not rea…

So developers want more money?

Re: Firefox Focus – a free, fast and easy to use private browser for iOS

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Why can't someone take Apple to court and argue that developers should be able to build native web browser apps without relying on the Web View component? We have st3fan saying "Firefox Focus" is not ideal because he's had to use the older and slower WKWebView to implement it. Isn't this similar to Microsoft when they were forced to allow a choice of browser, or do Apple get away with it because they allow alternativ…

A much more productive question would be: Why don't they allow it? They cite performance and security control, and really, can you blame them? The web is quite the wild west nowadays, and the WebViews they provide, while not ideal, cover most of the cases while offering a decent level of protection. And I think that somewhere down the road Apple will open up, when the system is ready.

Kind of an aside but,

If I understand correctly any WebView's contents is completely readable by the app it's embedded in. Which means you should arguably never trust any app that opens it's own WebView for view links. For example if you use the QR-Code Reader App it opens QR codes that leads to websites into it's own WebView rather than just forwarding the link to Safari. So, if the QR code is for anything that asks you to login the QR-Code Reader App could be reading your password.

In other words, WebViews are not adding security they're removing it

Otherwise, Apple can claim perf and security but that's arguably false. Chrome on desktop is faster and more secure than Safari by nearly every measure. There's no reason to believe the same wouldn't be true of a real Chrome (not embedded WebView) on iOS

Re: Firefox Focus – a free, fast and easy to use private browser for iOS

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defaults to yahoo search without the ability to change does not feel private to me

Ran an identical search in the "new" Focus and in Safari with 1Blocker and set to use DuckDuckGo. Focus with Yahoo search page leads off with 2 sponsored search results, aka ads, which take up most of the screen on my 5s. Safari with DDG has none.

Focus deleted from device.

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