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Re: Darling – MacOS translation layer for Linux

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Post by city41 »

swiley wrote: post #132
endymi0n wrote: post #128

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Have fun editing HDR footage or cutting samples on the command line. Don't get me wrong, but MacOS is exactly my platform of choice because I can have a sane POSIX command line as well as a color managed display and high resolution, low latency multichannel audio on the very same computer and can switch effortlessly.

You're actually manipulating graphical data though, in that situation a GUI makes a lot of sense. Using a GUI for editing E-mail or joining a WI-FI network is silly, just like it is for most things people do with computers.

Are you truly managing email through a command line interface? Or are you using something like Pine? Isn't Pine just a GUI created out of characters instead of graphics? True GUI interfaces compared to ncurses type solutions offer way more fidelity and power.

Re: Darling – MacOS translation layer for Linux

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Post by pritambaral »

wvenable wrote: post #48
Philipp__ wrote: post #35

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And that is related to which part of my post, because I do not see the connection? I didn't mention Windows. And good luck with wrestling with Windows doing UNIX things. It had it, but it was not comparable to Linux and BSDs. Now it is better situation, much better, but still I would rather spin some BSD based system in VM, than try and use Ubuntu through WSL.

My Ubuntu VM hasn't been spun up since I started using WSL. I've encountered a few bugs with WSL but it works amazingly well even for GUI apps.

> it works amazingly well even for GUI apps.

Could you elaborate on how you run GUI apps? Is it through some Xorg compiled for Windows? Can you use hardware-assisted OpenGL from WSL?

Re: Darling – MacOS translation layer for Linux

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Post by ygjb-dupe »

skratlo wrote: post #174
criddell wrote: post #166

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> The "professional" market doesn't care about visual cohesion. That isn't true at all. I spend all day in a handful of applications and good aesthetics make my day much more enjoyable.

People will never stop complaining about look and feel. It's such a crap, it doesn't matter. How much clothes do you own? Computers are tools to do work and consume information, they don't exist for you to make a statement about your aesthetics opinions.

It's really nice that you feel that way, but I hope to hell I don't need to use software you designed. "Look and feel" and "Aesthetics" are core components of usable computer software, and consistency is the way you enable users to consistently use your software.

Setting aside the purely utilitarian aspect of being required to use a piece of software to do a task or as part of a job, consistency increases efficiency by reducing the amount of time spent understanding the deviations from expectation in the user interface.

Re: Darling – MacOS translation layer for Linux

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Post by morsch »

th0ma5 wrote: post #145
zanny wrote: post #139

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Blender is 3d modeling and animation, vastly divergent from video editing with kdenlive / openshot / etc.

Perhaps somewhat surprisingly, Blender actually contains a non-linear video editor as well.

I was completely lost when I tried to use it. I wasn't even sure I found the NLE section of the program.

Re: Darling – MacOS translation layer for Linux

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Post by wazoox »

riprowan wrote: post #111
Brakenshire wrote: post #63

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I suppose it's useful when almost everything works, but that one thing that you absolutely need isn't otherwise available.

This is my problem. Audio editing on Linux is a joke. For everything else I do, Linux can get me there. So I need a Mac or a PC as an audio editor? Might as well just get a Mac or a PC. I'll have to maintain it anyway, and it can do everything Linux can do, plus probably be better supported.

What about Ardour?

Re: Darling – MacOS translation layer for Linux

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Post by wazoox »

babuskov wrote: post #125
riprowan wrote: post #111

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This is my problem. Audio editing on Linux is a joke. For everything else I do, Linux can get me there. So I need a Mac or a PC as an audio editor? Might as well just get a Mac or a PC. I'll have to maintain it anyway, and it can do everything Linux can do, plus probably be better supported.

What about video editing? I mean, I can live with Audacity for my basic needs, but I can't find anything simple as iMovie. Or should I just bite the bullet and learn Blender? Does it have preset screen transitions and stuff like that?

I'm using OpenShot, it's perfectly serviceable, particularly the new 2.x version. There's also LightWorks and many other that works really well.

Re: Darling – MacOS translation layer for Linux

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Post by AsyncAwait »

Calamitous wrote: post #123
hashkb wrote: post #46

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> I really like Linux as a backup plan, in case Apple totally drops the ball on professionals on the Mac. Is this a joke, referencing the new MBP releases? Personally, I've been saying we're there already. I haven't bought a Mac in years. (employers keep giving them to me and I install Ubuntu on them.)

How well does that work? I love the hardware, but I'd love to run ubuntu on my MBP even more.

Not sure about Ubuntu, but https://antergos.com works very well on my 15" MBP out of the box.

Re: Darling – MacOS translation layer for Linux

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Post by vacri »

JustSomeNobody wrote: post #24

> Why “Darling”? >The name Darling is a combination of “Darwin” and “Linux”. >Darwin is the core operating system OS X and iOS build on. If that's the case, why not Darlin? But then, I'm southern so that's why it makes more sense to me.

Darlin would be a better name anyway, as it's not a pre-existing word. I also think it sounds less 'cute' than 'darling'. You even have a rhyming animal for the logo for that...

Re: Darling – MacOS translation layer for Linux

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Post by xj9 »

api wrote: post #112
woodrowbarlow wrote: post #82

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While I agree with your view of HTML+CSS+JS in relation to X and would even go as far as to say the shift towards "webified" apps is (mostly) a good thing, it still saddens me as a developer to see it happening. It's an ecosystem that doesn't discourage lazy practices and it makes me feel unimportant because modern computers can more or less keep up with even the most poorly-written webified apps. I think it's that s…

IMHO the problem is that you actually do need a decent chunk of all that stuff. Not all, but a good chunk. A UI engine is a problem on par with creating a good game engine like Unity. If you don't have a loooooooong list of capabilities and polish your UI is a toy. By the time you extend and build it out enough to make it not a toy you will have re-implemented either Aqua/Cocoa, Microsoft's UI, or the web but yours w…

The Enlightenment project[1] covers a decent number of the requirements you mention and has corporate backing from Samsung.

[1]: https://enlightenment.org

Re: Darling – MacOS translation layer for Linux

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Post by itomato »

dreamcompiler wrote: post #97

Back in the PowerPC days, there was a thing called Mac-on-Linux [0] that allowed GUI Mac apps to run in Linux. It worked pretty well. I wonder if that code base would be helpful. [0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac-on-Linux

MoL was PPC only, and didn't do any transformation of Toolbox calls to Linux native calls.

It was essentially a hypervisor.

https://sourceforge.net/p/mac-on-linux/code/HEAD/tree/trunk/

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