Throughout this whole thing, I can't get past one thing - her using her own server was no big secret when it was happening.
Obama said otherwise. He said he learned about it in the news reports at the same time as everyone else.
FBI Reopens Clinton E-Mail Probe Less Than Two Weeks Before Vote
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#182Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't think most people would be jailed for it. There's no evidence of it being malicious so as my dad (who was in the military) put it, "if the government jailed people for doing things that were stupid there would be no one left".
You have _a lot_ more faith in the sanity of the Government than I do. Hell, I mean, the FBI statement itself said, "Although there is evidence of potential violations of the statutes regarding the handling of classified information, our judgment is that no reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case" If a normal citizen were to have done the same -- a citizen which didn't have the same profile, stature, or benefit…
I don't like the double standard that would cause a lower-level employee prosecuted or worse, but if this is an issue I would like to see a more consistent standard applied across government.
Also, how many CEO's do you know that do stupid stuff with customer data and break rules in an organization? I'm not saying is right or that it shouldn't be punished but the double standard to me is the problem. If it wasn't Hillary nobody would care but there has been a marketing campaign against her for so long its practically Pavlovian at this point.
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#184Earlier quoted context omitted.
>her opponent represents the very real specter of the end of democracy and the closing of our free society Let me get this straight. Hillary intentionally subverted the democratic process by having the DNC work against Sanders. We have concrete evidence of her working with one of her PACs, which again is highly illegal and subverting our democratic process. She has shady and inappropriate meetings with people respons…
> Hillary intentionally subverted the democratic process by having the DNC work against Sanders. Sanders was basically an independent running as a Dem. Even though I would have preferred him, it's ridiculous to expect the party not to be preferential towards the inside candidate who has decades of connections. Also primaries are not subject to the same level of protections or expectations of institutional impartialit…
>"Inarguably"? If it was truly "inarguable" Comey would have recommended prosecution in the first place.
Go look at the reason he gives for not recommending prosecution. It has nothing to do with whether what she did was illegal.
Go Google the rest yourself, it's not hard to find and I'm not going to waste my time trying to convince someone who can't be convinced. My comments are targeted at people reading this who might not be aware of the bullshit going on.
Re: FBI Reopens Clinton E-Mail Probe Less Than Two Weeks Before Vote
#185Earlier quoted context omitted.
>her opponent represents the very real specter of the end of democracy and the closing of our free society Let me get this straight. Hillary intentionally subverted the democratic process by having the DNC work against Sanders. We have concrete evidence of her working with one of her PACs, which again is highly illegal and subverting our democratic process. She has shady and inappropriate meetings with people respons…
Oh, stop. I don't like Hillary, but Trump says he'll contest a loss. That's what actual subversion of the process looks like. Everything you're bringing up is politics. > Hillary intentionally subverted the democratic process by having the DNC work against Sanders. Getting elected is a process of building key supporters, including within your own party. > We have concrete evidence of her working with one of her PACs…
He didn't say he would contest a loss, he said he wouldn't make a decision until the election actually took place. How anyone expects someone to predict the future is beyond me and the logic of the question shows that it was totally a trap so they could write sensational news headlines.
Re: FBI Reopens Clinton E-Mail Probe Less Than Two Weeks Before Vote
#186Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't think most people would be jailed for it. There's no evidence of it being malicious so as my dad (who was in the military) put it, "if the government jailed people for doing things that were stupid there would be no one left".
You have _a lot_ more faith in the sanity of the Government than I do. Hell, I mean, the FBI statement itself said, "Although there is evidence of potential violations of the statutes regarding the handling of classified information, our judgment is that no reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case" If a normal citizen were to have done the same -- a citizen which didn't have the same profile, stature, or benefit…
> If a normal citizen were to have done the same -- a citizen which didn't have the same profile, stature, or benefits of connection as Hilary, the "reasonable-ness" from the prosecution's vantage point would likely sky rocket.
Then again, a normal citizen doesn't really have a lot of people sending them classified emails. I don't think this is a situation where you can extrapolate from VIP to non-VIP…
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#187Earlier quoted context omitted.
> And Trump is the one threatening our democracy? He has stated that if elected, he'll spend the first 100 days suing his accusers. He believes the press has too much freedom of speech. He has claimed the election is rigged against him, and has all but told his supporters to engage in vote suppression. He has said he will attempt to force all Muslims to register into a database. He has said he will ban all Muslims fr…
This is all disingenuous hyperbole. There are plenty of terrible things to pin on Trump without inflating bullshit memes. There is a nugget of truth to some of what you say, but it is not said or meant in the way you state it, and there's no nuggets of truth in anything I have seen that has anything to do with subverting the voting system.
This is how I know you've never listened to anything Trump has said on the campaign trail. In fact, just yesterday, he said the nation should cancel the election and name him the winner: http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/27/politics/donald-trump-cancel-e....
Re: FBI Reopens Clinton E-Mail Probe Less Than Two Weeks Before Vote
#188Earlier quoted context omitted.
>her opponent represents the very real specter of the end of democracy and the closing of our free society Let me get this straight. Hillary intentionally subverted the democratic process by having the DNC work against Sanders. We have concrete evidence of her working with one of her PACs, which again is highly illegal and subverting our democratic process. She has shady and inappropriate meetings with people respons…
> She has Obama, using tax payer money, campaigning for her - while not illegal, is pretty morally bankrupt in my opinion. Just a point, this is normal with the sitting President campaigning either for themselves for their second term or their parties nominee. Both Trump and Hilary have plenty of valid points against them, so there is no need to muddy the water with points that don't really matter.
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Re: FBI Reopens Clinton E-Mail Probe Less Than Two Weeks Before Vote
#189Earlier quoted context omitted.
Oh, stop. I don't like Hillary, but Trump says he'll contest a loss. That's what actual subversion of the process looks like. Everything you're bringing up is politics. > Hillary intentionally subverted the democratic process by having the DNC work against Sanders. Getting elected is a process of building key supporters, including within your own party. > We have concrete evidence of her working with one of her PACs…
He didn't say he would contest a loss, he said he wouldn't make a decision until the election actually took place. How anyone expects someone to predict the future is beyond me and the logic of the question shows that it was totally a trap so they could write sensational news headlines.
Exactly. The anti-Trump hyperbole is ridiculous and ruins any credibility people have when attacking him.
Re: FBI Reopens Clinton E-Mail Probe Less Than Two Weeks Before Vote
#190Earlier quoted context omitted.
>her opponent represents the very real specter of the end of democracy and the closing of our free society Let me get this straight. Hillary intentionally subverted the democratic process by having the DNC work against Sanders. We have concrete evidence of her working with one of her PACs, which again is highly illegal and subverting our democratic process. She has shady and inappropriate meetings with people respons…
> And Trump is the one threatening our democracy? He has stated that if elected, he'll spend the first 100 days suing his accusers. He believes the press has too much freedom of speech. He has claimed the election is rigged against him, and has all but told his supporters to engage in vote suppression. He has said he will attempt to force all Muslims to register into a database. He has said he will ban all Muslims fr…
He won't be suing anyone from the Oval Office. His lawyers will be suing people after the election for making up false accusations, which is still this year, still during the Obama administration...
Does anyone REALLY think that someone who was sexually assaulted by a BILLIONAIRE wouldn't have cashed in already?