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New MacBook Pro Is Not a Laptop for Developers Anymore

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Re: New MacBook Pro Is Not a Laptop for Developers Anymore

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True developers used MacBooks? I was talking to a washed-up developer today who swears by them actually. Every single reason was totally bogus. It went something like this: Reason 1) "They come with native SSH capabilities" Me) "Uh, you can just get Putty for windows. It takes 20 seconds." Reason 2) "MacOS uses the PC's hardware more efficiently" Me) "Uh, it's because it's a very basic OS and has much less the deal w…

> True developers used MacBooks?

Yes, three out of four tech companies I've been employed at and many more I've visited have been mac shops.

Your made-up justifications don't even touch on the real reasons people prefer macs a lot of the time; it's UNIX, it's easy to use, and the hardware is high-quality.

I think this might just be bait, but I do hear comments like this all the time off HN, so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

Re: New MacBook Pro Is Not a Laptop for Developers Anymore

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Honest question: what's the alternative? I've got a 2013 rMBP 15 inch. What's my next machine? I'm not willing to regress on display (220 ppi or better), screen size, or battery life (8-9 hours real use). I might regress on quad core to dual core if everything else is perfect. EDIT: The XPS 15 gets more like 5-6 hours with the high res display by my understanding. The Surface Book has the right combination of resolut…

Depends on your budget:

$2000 - A loaded Dell Precision workstation. Wait for Kaby Lake quads though. If you like the Surface Books that's an option too.

$1500 - Dell XPS.

$1200 - ASUS UX501VW. (Only one RAM slot is upgradable, though)

If you have forgiven Lenovo after last year's man-in-the-middle scandal, they continue to make the best keyboards.

All of these machines run Linux well (with an occasional driver compile). The biggest tradeoff will be the touchpad. I find the trackpads on par with my 2009 unibody White Macbook. If you prefer a mouse like I do, it wouldn't be that much of an issue. On the plus side, you can get much better specs for the price of a Mac. Xeons, lots of ECC RAM, beter displays, better battery etc etc.

Re: New MacBook Pro Is Not a Laptop for Developers Anymore

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I'm a vim user. Why in the world did they remove ESC? That's one of my most frequently used keys. And no, I don't think remapping it is a great idea. If I had to use this for work I would protest.

I don't understand why people keep saying they've "removed" the escape key. The thing is programmable. http://live.arstechnica.com/hello-again-apples-october-2016-...

If it's anything like their existing dynamic stuff, I worry it will be too slow. There are far too many cases where I search for something, see it pop up, go to hit enter, and as I'm hitting enter, Spotlight decides to shift focus to something else. So for their magic toolbar thing to work, they'd have to do something they haven't been able to do in my experience.

Re: New MacBook Pro Is Not a Laptop for Developers Anymore

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This doesn't even get into the dongle problem. The simplest example is that if you want to hook up Apple's flagship phone up to their flagship laptop for development, you need a dongle. And if you want to share one of their flagship wired headphones between the two devices, you need another dongle. Therefore if you want to connect three of Apple's flagship devices together on a daily basis, you can't go anywhere with…

Two dongles at 49.99$ each make 99.98$ LOL xD

Re: New MacBook Pro Is Not a Laptop for Developers Anymore

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This article is terrible. I am not pleased with the new MBP models but the reasoning in this article is beyond stupid.

1. No Esc and Function keys? They are available and I'd wager you can change the settings on the touch bar to make them available. They demo'd the customizability of the bar. I'm not keen on the bar but it's not because it takes away options, it's because it's unnecessary complexity and will encourage bad application design.

2. No RAM improvements? The RAM is faster. The included RAM has increased. This is just factually wrong.

3. Judging CPUs on clock speed? What is this 1995? Clock speeds have been constant for a decade. The performance still increase and the power consumption improves as well. Come on.

I'm bent out of shape about the new MacBooks because they've gotten rid of one of my top 3 reasons for choosing MBPs for the last 10 years; MagSafe. MagSafe has saved my laptops dozens of times, literally. Removing it means that if I got one of these new machines I would never be able to use it plugged in on my couch. I'd be putting it at too much risk. It means any time you have it plugged in you have to be super conscious of where your power cord is and who's walking by it. They got rid of it I assume just to save a few mm's of thickness?

On top of that the TouchBar is a gimmicky feature I'd never ask for and have no use for. So much of my work is web based and cannot (as far as I know) take advantage of it. It adds tons of unnecessary complexity. Plus I'm sure it doesn't do any favors for battery life.

My rMBP is four years old and for the first time in a decade I'm finding myself not excited to upgrade. The addition of TouchID is nice. The loss of MagSafe and addition of the TouchBar are terrible decisions by Apple and make me question if they know what they're doing.

Re: New MacBook Pro Is Not a Laptop for Developers Anymore

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post #7

Honest question: what's the alternative? I've got a 2013 rMBP 15 inch. What's my next machine? I'm not willing to regress on display (220 ppi or better), screen size, or battery life (8-9 hours real use). I might regress on quad core to dual core if everything else is perfect. EDIT: The XPS 15 gets more like 5-6 hours with the high res display by my understanding. The Surface Book has the right combination of resolut…

I have had macbooks for years. I got sick of the really poor performance, constant spinner, etc. Now, I have a Dell XPS running Ubuntu. It is considerably faster. Far better battery life. Far high spec. Extremely slick display.

Agree on the speed. I routinely run a bunch of VMs and docker images without any sort of impact.

Re: New MacBook Pro Is Not a Laptop for Developers Anymore

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I'm not suggesting you do this, for legal reasons blah blah blah, but putting together a hackintosh is pretty easy these days if you really like osx.

How easy is it to maintain? Last I heard every update breaks everything.

nah it's not bad. Sometimes you just need to reinstall the same audio kernels, etc (depending on your hardware). There are many guides to find compatible hardware

Re: New MacBook Pro Is Not a Laptop for Developers Anymore

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The simplest example is that if you want to hook up Apple's flagship phone up to their flagship laptop for development, you need a dongle. Why would you bother with a dongle when you can get a Type C — Lightning cable for the same price?

Or a wifi connection for free!

I don't believe you can sideload or debug applications over wifi, the comment I replied to was specifically talking about development.
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