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Re: Workplace by Facebook opens to sell enterprise social networking to the masses

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Post by sangnoir »

lucasmullens wrote: post #144
Zelphyr wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What evidence do we have that he has matured? It's not a matter of being an immature college kid anymore. In many respects he has a financial incentive to abuse people's privacy now.

I think it's fair to assume that going from a 19-year-old college kid to the CEO of a giant corporation involves maturing quite a bit.

> I think it's fair to assume that going from a 19-year-old college kid to the CEO of a giant corporation involves maturing quite a bit

Flip side: going from 19-year-old college kid to the CEO of a giant corporation could also sharpen shark-like tendencies and compromise previously held morals.

Re: Workplace by Facebook opens to sell enterprise social networking to the masses

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Post by thesimpsons1022 »

pmlnr wrote: post #104

https://workplace.fb.com/trust Sure. Also: Zuck: Yeah so if you ever need info about anyone at Harvard Zuck: Just ask Zuck: I have over 4,000 emails, pictures, addresses, SNS [Redacted Friend's Name]: What? How'd you manage that one? Zuck: People just submitted it. Zuck: I don't know why. Zuck: They "trust me" Zuck: Dumb fucks Just keep remembering that as well, please.

even disregarding that completely. no one will trust facebook with their data. they see it as a toy for people to play with at a home. not a work tool. i see it working in silicon valley but good luck convincing IT managers in the midwest to switch from Microsoft.

Re: Workplace by Facebook opens to sell enterprise social networking to the masses

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Post by [deleted] »

unclebucknasty wrote: post #138
negamax wrote: post #50

Their competitor is not Slack but Salesforce. Salesforce is a leader in enterprise CRM. Facebook with apps, messenger and cloud infrastructure is way ahead on tech and usability front. This move if for getting users from entreprise.

> Their competitor is...Salesforce Don't forget Microsoft/LinkedIn.

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Re: Workplace by Facebook opens to sell enterprise social networking to the masses

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Post by thesimpsons1022 »

DominikR wrote: post #142
jacalata wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"They let you do it" is not consent, it's the absence of fighting back. A woman does not have to physically fight her attacker for it to be assault. Consider the phrasing "they let you do it if you hold a gun to their head".

Apparently you have difficulty reasoning objectively about this issue. Let's agree to disagree and move on with life. For you it's sexual assault because you imagine him attacking women without any warning while I on the other hand have no reason to believe that he isn't escalating sexually in a normal way, leaving room for women to say no or move a step back to signal a no. Edit: When I think about it then I must be…

think what you want. next we'll have video proof of him doing it that is conclusive and you'll make up some other defense. truly irredeemable.

edit: and yes you probably are then. glad you admitted it. please turn yourself in.

Re: Workplace by Facebook opens to sell enterprise social networking to the masses

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Post by danenania »

DominikR wrote: post #142
jacalata wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"They let you do it" is not consent, it's the absence of fighting back. A woman does not have to physically fight her attacker for it to be assault. Consider the phrasing "they let you do it if you hold a gun to their head".

Apparently you have difficulty reasoning objectively about this issue. Let's agree to disagree and move on with life. For you it's sexual assault because you imagine him attacking women without any warning while I on the other hand have no reason to believe that he isn't escalating sexually in a normal way, leaving room for women to say no or move a step back to signal a no. Edit: When I think about it then I must be…

Sorry, no. There is no universe in which "grab 'em by the pussy" is part of a normal escalation. We're talking (very plainly) about sexual assault. It's pretty sick to see people trying to defend this.

Re: Workplace by Facebook opens to sell enterprise social networking to the masses

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Post by greggman »

matwood wrote: post #30
timanglade wrote: post #17

Considering the backlash against Slack [0], it’ll be interesting to see if Messenger’s model of more “atomic” conversations will create less interruptions. Slack (much like IRC) really contributes to an expectation of continuous conversation throughout the day/night (although not all people deal with it that way). In comparison, Messenger (and other chat apps like WhatsApp, iMessage, etc.) seem to be more designed to…

I guess I do not really understand the backlash at Slack. I think it is more of highlighting broken company cultures. If someone expects an immediate response for any communication does it matter if it is Slack, the phone, your office, your email (plus follow up email and/or phone call)? For me Slack has cut down immensely on people randomly showing up in my office. Just forcing someone to write something down, and t…

Because in slack I have to check 100 inboxes full of messages not important to me rather than a single inbox with a far higher signal to noise ratio

It doesn't matter if I turn off notifications I'm still expected to know generally what's happened in my company's 100 channels.

With slack it becomes my responsibility to dig through those 100 channels. With email it's the sender's responsibility to make sure I'm on the list if they need/want my response/input and if it turns out I'm not interested I can easily mute that one thread

Re: Workplace by Facebook opens to sell enterprise social networking to the masses

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Post by pikachu_is_cool »

googlereject wrote: post #120
pmlnr wrote: post #104

https://workplace.fb.com/trust Sure. Also: Zuck: Yeah so if you ever need info about anyone at Harvard Zuck: Just ask Zuck: I have over 4,000 emails, pictures, addresses, SNS [Redacted Friend's Name]: What? How'd you manage that one? Zuck: People just submitted it. Zuck: I don't know why. Zuck: They "trust me" Zuck: Dumb fucks Just keep remembering that as well, please.

The simple solution to anyone concerned about this is to just stop using Facebook. I've done so and it turned out to be a great decision. Contrary to the belief that you'll be "left out," people can and do get in touch with you for the important things. SMS, email, phone, snapchat, etc all work really well today, and you can get your social news fix from reddit, HN, and elsewhere if you need it. I've gotten measurabl…

Or you can just use a subset of it, where privacy is of no concern. Those craigslist-esque groups that have been popping up are immensely useful. Especially with the built-in messenger.

Re: Workplace by Facebook opens to sell enterprise social networking to the masses

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Post by dingaling »

maverick_iceman wrote: post #133
pmlnr wrote: post #104

https://workplace.fb.com/trust Sure. Also: Zuck: Yeah so if you ever need info about anyone at Harvard Zuck: Just ask Zuck: I have over 4,000 emails, pictures, addresses, SNS [Redacted Friend's Name]: What? How'd you manage that one? Zuck: People just submitted it. Zuck: I don't know why. Zuck: They "trust me" Zuck: Dumb fucks Just keep remembering that as well, please.

If you don't trust Facebook, don't use Facebook.

> If you don't trust Facebook, don't use Facebook.

I don't, but other people do trust it and put information about me and photos including me into it.

Re: Workplace by Facebook opens to sell enterprise social networking to the masses

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Post by justanton »

googlereject wrote: post #120
pmlnr wrote: post #104

https://workplace.fb.com/trust Sure. Also: Zuck: Yeah so if you ever need info about anyone at Harvard Zuck: Just ask Zuck: I have over 4,000 emails, pictures, addresses, SNS [Redacted Friend's Name]: What? How'd you manage that one? Zuck: People just submitted it. Zuck: I don't know why. Zuck: They "trust me" Zuck: Dumb fucks Just keep remembering that as well, please.

The simple solution to anyone concerned about this is to just stop using Facebook. I've done so and it turned out to be a great decision. Contrary to the belief that you'll be "left out," people can and do get in touch with you for the important things. SMS, email, phone, snapchat, etc all work really well today, and you can get your social news fix from reddit, HN, and elsewhere if you need it. I've gotten measurabl…

I absolutely agree with you on what you said. But how do you deal with the problem, when you have to, say, create an event and make people aware of it? Are there any alternatives to FB?

Re: Workplace by Facebook opens to sell enterprise social networking to the masses

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Post by pmlnr »

rokhayakebe wrote: post #160
pmlnr wrote: post #104

https://workplace.fb.com/trust Sure. Also: Zuck: Yeah so if you ever need info about anyone at Harvard Zuck: Just ask Zuck: I have over 4,000 emails, pictures, addresses, SNS [Redacted Friend's Name]: What? How'd you manage that one? Zuck: People just submitted it. Zuck: I don't know why. Zuck: They "trust me" Zuck: Dumb fucks Just keep remembering that as well, please.

Really, Pmlnr? Should we hold you accountable for everything you've said 10 years ago about your friends when they were not there, your spouse, your coworkers, everyone else. People change and the guy was a teenager at the time.

Really. This is a quote of ethics, and even when I was 19 I never attempted to betray business(-like) trust.

For me, FB is yet to prove that it really has changed. Zuck as a person, maybe. FB, as a company, I really doubt.

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