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Re: Lawsuit: Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer led illegal purge of male workers

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You must be reading different social media then me since there are plenty examples of bad male CEOs. Isn't there a Twitter article on the main page? HP is a special case as they have had a run of awful CEOs (the SAP guy being one of the worst) and most damaging a criminal board. I think the jury is still out on Meyers. Holmes is basically a criminal. Not one has approached SCO or Enron bad. There are plenty of sucky…

HP, do you mean Apotheker? Fair enough. But you do not get to mention HP without Carly Fiorina.

I don't think she would be any less controversial if she were a man.

Re: Lawsuit: Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer led illegal purge of male workers

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This whole thread is deeply disturbing. The bald statement in the headline is deeply disturbing. The fundamental assumption that women can't possibly be deserving of management positions. That any objective measure of performance would certainly favor men. That any man that loses his job to a woman has been treated unfairly.

It's not just any man...it was a lot of men.

This kind of discrimination could be excused if it brought a tangible value to the company, but this reshuffling did nothing to help this ailing company.

Meyer's actions were discriminatory at worst; at best, it was merely gross incompetence.

Re: Lawsuit: Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer led illegal purge of male workers

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What's the alternative? I assume that you expect companies to promote/fire based on performance. How can you do that without a performance review process? My experience has been that the biggest factor is your direct manager. If your manager hates you, then you have a serious problem, because no matter what kind of process (or lack of process) your company has, they can get you fired. On the other hand, a good manage…

From what I've seen the performance review process in large companies allows you to mask a personal vendetta as a performance issue (and you'll get away with it). Your manager can say "based on feedback everyone says you suck" and you can't really do a whole lot to look into it. You don't know where the feedback is coming from, or if it's even valid. At a smaller company a manager seems more responsible to look at pe…

I don't know how common it is, but some companies have a process whereby your peers supply the feedback, and a management team reviews it. Surely this must address the issue of a manager who doesn't like you, right?

Re: Lawsuit: Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer led illegal purge of male workers

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Exactly! The previous CEO picked 80% of senior management of the same gender and that's fine, but Meyer does the exact same and suddenly it's sexist?

Again, perhaps not the 'exact same'. How do we know this time it wasn't done fairly?

Is picking senior management about fairness?

Re: Lawsuit: Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer led illegal purge of male workers

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When you have an hard fact like: In one year the administration when from 20% female to 80% female. You can come up with all the legal mumbo jumbo you want and with your handsomely paid lawyers you can even win the lawsuit, but it's obvious they where guilty of sexual discrimination, you don't need a court ruling to understand that.

So weren't they guilty when it was 80% male, too?

Why, did they remove almost all the woman there in 1 year to change it for men? Talk about apples and oranges.

Besides, do yourself a favour: Just walk into any Computer Science major class, check the number of woman/men there and let us all know how much they go above those 20% and go check the numbers in the previous years while the board of Yahoo (and any major company in that area) was being built. Ok?

Re: Lawsuit: Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer led illegal purge of male workers

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> Even if they were not deliberate about it Which is statistically close to impossible.

...but when men are in the 80%, that's a statistic you can believe?

In this world, at this time?

Re: Lawsuit: Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer led illegal purge of male workers

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>So the real rule when looking for new jobs is to avoid places where they hire first and do allocations later This is an issue with big banks like Capital One. The management culture is absolutely awful there and they hold a tremendous amount of power and of course abuse that power as well as abuse the workers.

Just to add another view here: I'm currently a Data Scientist at Capital One and enjoy it quite a bit. I've found management to be open, supportive, and invested in my and my coworkers' success and development. They also allow and encourage people to change teams within the company, so if you find yourself in a situation that's not working out, you can move to another team. I've also not seen anybody leave the compan…

The company culture tries to go in a good direction, but it fails at the individual manager level. From people I have talked to, this is not just me but widespread, especially financial services in Plano, Tx.

I get yelled at on a weekly basis. Belittling is comon too, such as being told "you're not that smart and this isn't rocket science". Managers are non technical managing a technical project and micromanagement is the norm.

Re: Lawsuit: Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer led illegal purge of male workers

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> So the real rule when looking for new jobs is to avoid places where they hire first and do allocations later, as your picture of what the company is at interview time might be completely different than what you'll find on day one. Oh hey that's actually a whole lot of big corps ... most prominently Google, isn't it?

The guy you go to lunch with during your on-site interview @Google is most likely the one that becomes your boss if you are hired.

This isn't true to my knowledge (I work at google). It's usually just another person from the interviewer pool. Decent chance you'll never see them or any of the other interviewers again after joining.

Re: Lawsuit: Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer led illegal purge of male workers

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Give it a rest. Trumpeting your PC nonsense won't help you. You understood what he meant. Communication successful, despite your protest!

It's not about successful communication, it's about how you present an entire group of people. Using the term "the blacks" or "Blacks" makes you sound like Archie Bunker, dude. Negative social signal.

Actually it makes you hear Archie Bunker. How and why you make associations is up to you, not others.

Re: Lawsuit: Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer led illegal purge of male workers

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Funny you should mention her. I'm 100% sure that it can't be coincidence that the only "really bad CEOs" I keep hearing about on social media are Pao, Meyers and Elizabeth Holmes. But people really don't react kindly to accusations of sexism without proof. I wonder how unlikely it is that the 90% of male CEOs in high tech are all exemplary.

Martin Shkreli, Parker Conrad, Brendan Eich, Jack Dorsey, Steve Ballmer. Even though Amazon is doing well people hate on Jeff Bezos a lot.

Was Bendan Eich really a bad CEO, or is he just extremely unpopular for his donation to a political cause?
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