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Re: Introducing a new kind of Wi-Fi system

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Lots of vendors already offer this. It's pretty standard for commercial WiFi units. It's just slightly more expensive than dumb routers. * Eero: https://eero.com/ * Ubuquiti: https://www.ubnt.com * Cisco: http://www.cisco.com (sized for larger buildings) Does this new Google device come with the Google Fi feature which backhauls all your traffic to Google via a VPN?

> Does this new Google device come with the Google Fi feature which backhauls all your traffic to Google via a VPN?

Not applicable.

The purpose of Google Connectivity Services is to provide protected access (encrypted via VPN) to the Internet on an unsecured 802.11 network like one that you'd encounter at a coffee shop.

In that case, GCS sets up a tunnel from your phone to Google's edge network, traffic from your phone egresses via an IP address dedicated to GCS and then you're surfing the Interwebs.

If you've entered a SSID and a related PSK or WEP password (as one typically does on a home network), GCS isn't available to use.

Use of GCS is optional. It can be disabled as desired.

Re: Introducing a new kind of Wi-Fi system

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post #82

I'm surprised nobody here has yet questioned the wisdom of allowing Google access to literally all of your internet traffic. This is actually a commercial product that you pay money for, so maybe they're all aboveboard here, but with Google's history of trying to get as much personal data as possible about everybody makes me unwilling to trust them with something like this. On a different note, is there any reason wh…

I realize it's popular to peddle conspiracy theories about Google in some circles but think about just how many people use Google search, Gmail, Chrome, Android, etc. – do you really think their choice of routers matters more? There's also an inconvenient truth that such problems are greatly hindered by … Google in their prominent role improving security for average users. If their goal was to spy on people, they'd b…

> conspiracy theories

Conspiracies do happen from time to time. Unfortunately the term "conspiracy theory" is often used to refer to unreasonable theories that are more about reinforcing preconceptions about what ought to be instead of observing what the situation actually is.

Obviously it is important to check any theory, and extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. In this case, however, the claim that Google wants to get their hands on as much data as possible isn't an extraordinary claim. It isn't a conspiracy which is usually defined as a secret plan. Google is very open about their business model based on analyzing large amounts of data with modern techniques.

Calling concerns about giving even more data to Google a "conspiracy theory" not only ignores Google's business model, it also dilutes the term making an actual secret conspiracy harder to identify in the future.

> think about just how many people use Google search, Gmail, Chrome, Android, etc.

The only service that is similar to sending all of your traffic to Google is GA (Google Analytics), which most people are not using willingly. Yes, a lot of damaging analysis can be done from search/mail/etc, which is why it's a terrible idea to also include the rest of your internet traffic.

> improving security for average users

Google has done a lot of work to keep user data safe from third parties. Very little of that work prevents Google itself from seeing your data. When the default configuration isn't end-to-end encrypted, in practice this means Google is still seeing everything. Google even calls this a feature that is part of their "assistant".

> If their goal was to spy on people

So you don't think their business is based on spying on users in various ways for better ad targeting? Even though Serge Brin and Larry Page personally explained their intention to spy to CA State Sen. Liz Figueroa?

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/the-robot-defense-...

Re: Introducing a new kind of Wi-Fi system

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If you require IPv6 so crucially, you probably shouldn't be using consumer grade gear.

My ~$100 Linksys router supports IPv6. What's Google's excuse? Yet another device Google will sell, and then discontinue in 24-36 months.

> Yet another device Google will sell, and then discontinue in 24-36 months.

You don't know that.

Re: Introducing a new kind of Wi-Fi system

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My ~$100 Linksys router supports IPv6. What's Google's excuse? Yet another device Google will sell, and then discontinue in 24-36 months.

> Yet another device Google will sell, and then discontinue in 24-36 months. You don't know that.

Besides acquired products (Nest) and Android phones, Google has a pretty poor track record of long term hardware support. I can still get firmware updates for my 4 year old Linksys router.

I've been burned, and I refuse to purchase yet another Google device for a market they're just testing the waters in. I'd rather spend my money with someone who needs it to support their product, and that product is their business.

Re: Introducing a new kind of Wi-Fi system

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Wait, OnHub doesn't support IPv6?! That's inexcusable. There's no reason IPv6 couldn't "just work" too. Google Wifi had better support IPv6 at launch.

>That's inexcusable Except it's not, we live in an IPv4 world. Edit: How are you guys downvoting me on your v6 connections? HN only supports v4.

Well you can never upgrade to a IPv6 world if you don't add it to routers...

Re: Introducing a new kind of Wi-Fi system

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post #3

Serious question: whose WiFi is not working, to the degree that they think, "I really need to get a modern router to make this Internet thing actually work." I'm seeing about a dozen fancy modern wifi routers all trying to solve a problem I'm not sure exists.

Just talk to anyone who uses BT in the UK. Their HomeHub is atrocious. I replaced mine with a Draytek modem and high end Asus router and not only have my speeds gone up, I now get emails from no-IP asking me to manually renew my dynamic DNS domains because the connection routinely stays up for months (as opposed to days) at a time.

Edit: Oops, I should probably say something about improved wifi as well, as that was the point of the parent comment! :P

Needless to say my ISP's aforementioned modem router struggled to cover our typically average (for the UK) 3 bed semi. I even had a wired network point installed in my office upstairs, which I've barely used since we chucked it out. We can pick up the Asus router half way down the street!

Re: Introducing a new kind of Wi-Fi system

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For Ubiquiti I'd suggest linking to https://www.amplifi.com instead of ubnt.com. AmpliFi is their mesh networking product aimed at consumers, whereas almost everything on ubnt.com is aimed at enterprise use.

With Amplifi out, until I see performance numbers, I'm still going to suggest UniFi AP AC Pros due to how fucking ridiculously good they are.

I have a UAP-AC-Pro and a second UAP-AC as an extender, and they're great. But I ordered an AmpliFi HD anyway because it will probably be easier to maintain and I'm interested in the mesh networking. I'm hoping it lives up to expectations.

Re: Introducing a new kind of Wi-Fi system

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Wait, OnHub doesn't support IPv6?! That's inexcusable. There's no reason IPv6 couldn't "just work" too. Google Wifi had better support IPv6 at launch.

>That's inexcusable Except it's not, we live in an IPv4 world. Edit: How are you guys downvoting me on your v6 connections? HN only supports v4.

Most of my connections are over ipv6.

If this doesn't support ipv6 then it can only connect to legacy sites. Yes that's pretty much all sites today but this is inexcusable in a new product.

Re: Introducing a new kind of Wi-Fi system

#190
post #105

Just for everyone focusing on gimmicky features, this is an OnHub, which are intended to just work. Under the hood, they run ChromiumOS, including things like trusted boot (yes, this home router has a tpm), and the A/B partitions so when you get an automatic update, (which happens during a time of low bandwidth usage), it reboots into the new version in about 6 seconds. The security team is awesome: they pushed an up…

Wait, OnHub doesn't support IPv6?! That's inexcusable. There's no reason IPv6 couldn't "just work" too. Google Wifi had better support IPv6 at launch.

Really, it doesn't do IPv6?

How could they launch such a faulty product. If it was 3 years ago maybe, but it's not really optional now.

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