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Behind the Pixel: Google’s First Real Threat to Apple’s iPhone

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Re: Behind the Pixel: Google’s First Real Threat to Apple’s iPhone

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I think it is just me but I find this 'book me a concert and fancy dinner' schtick rather boring. May be well off people are so busy and book these things so often that these virtual assistant really save time if price is of no concern to them.

Even when price is no concern to me, I am pretty picky about the exact arrangements. Which seats at the concert? Which restaurant, what reservation time? Which airline and seat on the plane (for the also common travel example)? Etc. Yeah, I'm busy, and I book this kind of stuff all the time. But I don't trust an automated system to arrange things the way I like them. With a human assistant, they quickly learn my preferences and style, and can make informed guesses (or ping me for a preference if they need to). Automating this isn't attractive to me.

Re: Behind the Pixel: Google’s First Real Threat to Apple’s iPhone

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post #86

I think it is just me but I find this 'book me a concert and fancy dinner' schtick rather boring. May be well off people are so busy and book these things so often that these virtual assistant really save time if price is of no concern to them.

Does anybody actually use these virtual assistants? They seem like the bluetooth dongle of the mid-2000s - friends wouldn't let friends use them. Is it just for people who drive? Or will there be a tipping point when it won't seem so arrogant barking commands on the subway or in a quiet office?

The only thing I ever use them for is to set an alarm to wake me up the next morning. Even then, the semantics of the built in alarms make it needlessly painful. They stick around in an inactive state after going off and there's a maximum number, and the virtual assistants all just give up when they hit the maximum.

That, and seeing what in says in response to personal questions, insults, jokes, etc.

Re: Behind the Pixel: Google’s First Real Threat to Apple’s iPhone

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It looks like a good device, but is it that special?

At $649, it's in iPhone 7 and Galaxy S7 territory.

It doesn't have an impressive curved display like the Galaxy S7 Edge so the 5.5" Pixel is likely to be larger than a 5.5" Galaxy S7 Edge.

The Snapdragon 821 is probably the best processor they could get, but it doesn't stand up well against an iPhone 7 (or even older iPhones on common tasks like web browsing). So, that doesn't bring anything impressive to the table that I couldn't get before.

Google has just said that the display is "Hi-Definition" in their presentation slide. Looking at one of their videos, it looks like 441ppi on the 5" which means 1080p and 534ppi on the 5.5" so the 5.5" matches the S7 Edge, but the 5" is a lesser display than the Galaxy S7. Not sure it makes much of a difference, but it doesn't best a competitor at the same price.

The Galaxy S7 and many other devices come with 4GB of RAM.

There doesn't seem to be anything in this device that's so exciting with the possible exception of the camera. But how much of that is software? The DxOMark review notes that "Pixel’s biggest innovation is an enhanced version of Google’s HDR+ multi-image capability. . .the Pixel pushes the capability further than we’ve seen before". So, is this simply software that Google is going to keep proprietary in order to sell its device? That's certainly fair game, but it points to exclusive software, not hardware being the draw.

Unlimited photo and video storage is nice, but that really doesn't have anything to do with the device. That's just google offering an exclusive service with purchase.

To me, it mostly looks like what I can get in competitive phones, maybe with some exclusive software. It's not faster (constrained by the best Qualcomm can muster). The camera is marginally better than an iPhone 7 (though no word on the iPhone 7 Plus). The display is competitive with or worse than a Galaxy S7 [Edge].

I think Google has a better chance if they start developing their own chips as the article alludes to. Apple has a large single-code speed advantage that's particularly noticeable on the web (https://twitter.com/codinghorror/status/775777790494846976).

The Pixel looks fine, but it doesn't have something amazingly impressive. It's good, but nothing that truly makes me think that Google has outdone itself. If I were in the market for a new Android phone, I'd consider it. But the OnePlus 3 seems to have most of the same in a much cheaper package. The Galaxy S7 Edge seems to have a cooler package for much the same equipment. Plus, I guess my concern is whether Google is going to care about the Pixel phone 9 months from now. Maybe this is a huge new push. But OnHub seems to be abandoned for this new Made By Google thing after a very short time and generally Google has a bit of a history of not caring about things that don't immediately gain traction. So, maybe a couple years from now it'll look more attractive.

EDIT: looking at the specs, it's 8.5mm thick at the thickest which is how they avoid the camera bump compared to an iPhone 7 at 7.1mm thick.

EDIT 2: I'm very glad that Google is getting into the hardware game. I think they can create great devices and help push the industry forward. I think competition will be great for consumers. I think there are lots of areas (like WiFi) which need to be made better. But it's hard to beat the best smartphones with your first model. I'm glad Google is creating a phone, but smartphones aren't low-hanging fruit to create something remarkably better.

Re: Behind the Pixel: Google’s First Real Threat to Apple’s iPhone

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I have a 5.2" (Nexus 5X) and I still want something smaller.

I switched from a Z3 Compact to an iPhone SE and the 4" screen is great.

I was starting to think i was the last person alive that wanted this. Please keep making noise. I really hope the next lineup has a 4".

Re: Behind the Pixel: Google’s First Real Threat to Apple’s iPhone

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Now that the nexus is gone what alternatives exist for developer friendly phones ?

Haven't heard/read about this aspect, yet. Pixels are more locked down?

One of the things that makes a phone developer-friendly is how accessible it is from a price perspective, i.e. not a £599 price tag.

Re: Behind the Pixel: Google’s First Real Threat to Apple’s iPhone

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post #80

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not when you can control 85% of the market and just want your software in front as many people as possible so you can sell them ads. Do you really think google cares that much about making profit on smartphone hardware?

Then why have they made this phone?

It seems like Google treats the phones almost like concept cars. They are really just there to push the 3P manufacturers in the desired direction.

Re: Behind the Pixel: Google’s First Real Threat to Apple’s iPhone

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post #37

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considering just how small the iphone global market share is, I'm not sure being an iphone killer is even a thing anymore.

Apple earns about 94% of the smartphone industry profit with just 14% of the market. It's a thing.

google has never sold a phone directly. The pixel is the first one. Second no one know how much income google generates from Android or Android related services.

Re: Behind the Pixel: Google’s First Real Threat to Apple’s iPhone

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post #27

I realise that not everyone is in the US, but Verizon Exclusive, really? Edit: Ah, I was mistaken. Contract exclusive, still outright. Oops!

Exclusive for a contract. Outright on the google store is an option.

I'm with verizon anyway.. but just switched to a 6p about 6 months ago, so will hold off a while... nice to see a Verizon option out of the box... getting my 6p setup with Verizon as a byod wasn't fun.

Re: Behind the Pixel: Google’s First Real Threat to Apple’s iPhone

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post #86

I think it is just me but I find this 'book me a concert and fancy dinner' schtick rather boring. May be well off people are so busy and book these things so often that these virtual assistant really save time if price is of no concern to them.

"Google EnnUI: The UI for Existential Boredom."
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