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Taking the final wrapper off of Android 7.0 Nougat

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Re: Taking the final wrapper off of Android 7.0 Nougat

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Post by kartickv »

xorcist wrote: post #142
plttn wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The alternative is the iOS update process, which has the result of non-techies complaining that their iPhone 4 is now slow after the update, and the techies they know pleading with them not to update even though the number gets bigger.

Another alternative would be to keep releasing security updates. If open source projects can manage more than three years support, it's not out of the question for Google to do it, at least for the major versions.

You mean issue security updates for multiple major versions, like Marshmallow, Lollipop and KitKat?

That's an overhead to code, backport and test. These resources could be spent elsewhere.

Re: Taking the final wrapper off of Android 7.0 Nougat

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Post by kartickv »

srathi wrote: post #76
cpprototypes wrote: post #68

Does anyone know how strict is the Google two year update policy for Nexus? It's clear they won't do major releases (such as Android 7.0) for old phones. However, what about critical security updates? For example, if something as bad as Stagefright was discovered, would Google do nothing for all the older Nexus phones out there? Or would something like that be a special exception to the rule?

Security updates are provided for 3 years. [0] [0] https://android.googleblog.com/2015/08/an-update-to-nexus-de...

That's from the date of initial introduction. The relevant number is 18 months from the date you bought it.

Re: Taking the final wrapper off of Android 7.0 Nougat

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Post by dingo_bat »

primo44 wrote: post #35

No Android 7 on my Nexus 5 might just be what pushes me to iOS. I've gone from being an Android evangelist to being an Android apologist ("Yeah, battery life sucks. Google has failed to fix it after X years") to now being, frankly, pissed off that my expensive phone is going to be left behind.

You really need to buy a flagship to compare with iPhone.

Re: Taking the final wrapper off of Android 7.0 Nougat

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Post by _ea1k »

jdmichal wrote: post #33
_ea1k wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This will only break the user experience if the app happens to have a bad experience in this mode and if the user happens to request to use it in this mode. It is hard to know for how many apps this would be the case. There is no way that they could guarantee that the experience would be perfect for every scenario, so that left them with two options: 1. Make the feature only work for apps that declare support for it.…

Along your point, it's pretty easy to reverse the logic on the last sentence and still have it be a sane argument: > This feature should be turned on for all apps; you shouldn't make every user wait for every app ever made to be updated because three people on the Android developer team made a new feature and were too afraid to break things, so they turn it off by default for legacy (pre-Nougat targeted) apps. EDIT:…

I was very confused until I realized that I had a typo. I actually meant for that last line to say "Option 2". :)

Re: Taking the final wrapper off of Android 7.0 Nougat

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Post by _ea1k »

ChrisLTD wrote: post #90
_ea1k wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This will only break the user experience if the app happens to have a bad experience in this mode and if the user happens to request to use it in this mode. It is hard to know for how many apps this would be the case. There is no way that they could guarantee that the experience would be perfect for every scenario, so that left them with two options: 1. Make the feature only work for apps that declare support for it.…

Apple went with option 1 for split screen and picture-in-picture video support on iOS, and a year later many major apps still don't support those features. Option 2 is definitely the way to go.

I actually agree with this. I implied otherwise due to a typo and now it is outside of the edit window. Oops. :)

Re: Taking the final wrapper off of Android 7.0 Nougat

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Post by [deleted] »

tdkl wrote: post #113
benzor wrote: post #41

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FWIW, I've deliberately kept my Nexus 5 on Android 4.4.4 and it runs as well as the first day I bought it 2.5 years ago. Multi-day battery life, no compatibility issues (because no OS updates), all the latest apps still run on it, etc. Not to mention it was an affordable phone even when it was brand new. Very happy with it overall; I can easily see it lasting me another few years.

Classic "don't fix it if it ain't broken". How have you manage to disable the System update annoyance ? Shitty Lollipop made me sell the Nexus 5 last year with its bad battery life and memory leak (and they still didn't fix the mobile radio wakelock), but when downgrading to 4.4 it was next to impossible to block the notification. I remember methods used at time just caused the Google Play Services to hold the wakelo…

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Re: Taking the final wrapper off of Android 7.0 Nougat

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Post by jevinskie »

blisterpeanuts wrote: post #137
ThatPlayer wrote: post #85

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The biggest feature I'm looking for that the newer Nexuses don't have over my N5/N7 is Qi wireless charging. My Nexus 7's USB port has been broken for over a year now, and I've been using a wireless charger all this time. It just seems like a good idea to reduce the wear and tear on the USB ports if I want to continue using the phone for years.

Plus there are charging tables in some Starbucks; it's so handy to just lay your device on the table and top it off. Why did they take that feature away? :( There's a way to add wireless charging to your 5X if you're handy with a soldering iron, though. https://youtu.be/WimH8g-H2lE

That is a really cool and simple hack. Take a wireless charging coil + support circuitry and simply tap that into the USB +5V and ground? It all sounds too easy!

Re: Taking the final wrapper off of Android 7.0 Nougat

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Post by arvinsim »

coredog64 wrote: post #52
msoucy wrote: post #44

Meanwhile many phones (especially vendor-locked ones like the Droid Turbo...) are still stuck on Lollipop.

Lollipop? I wish! My Samsung tablet is stuck at KitKat unless I'm willing to try a Cyanogenmod nightly.

I wish I didn't update my Nexus 7 2012 to Lollipop. Lollipop made it crawl compared to Kitkat.

Re: Taking the final wrapper off of Android 7.0 Nougat

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Post by ktta »

rimantas wrote: post #127
drusepth wrote: post #115

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iOS 9 runs hilariously badly on the iPhone 5.

iOS 9 runs and runs fine on iPhone 4S.

depends on what your definition of 'fine' is. I also use an iPhone 4S with iOS 9, and looked at how fast iOS 9 runs on iPhone 6S and iOS 8 on a friend's iPhone 4S. I don't think I'd call it anywhere close to fine.

I'm numb to the slow response times, but the crashing applications make me want to ditch this for a 50% cheaper android phone which runs faster, and doesn't have planned obsolescence[0] (the link talks about planned obsolescence in iPhone 4S and iOS 9 )

Now I'm okay with most of the stuff apple does with it's walled ecosystem, and appreciate some, but this is going directly against a consumer.

[0]: http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/iphone-4s-planned-obsole...

Re: Taking the final wrapper off of Android 7.0 Nougat

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Post by ac29 »

unicornporn wrote: post #154
ymse wrote: post #6

Just a shout-out to the fine folks over at CopperheadOS[0]who have been doing a lot of behind-the-scenes hardening in Android over the last year[1]. If you have a Nexus device and don't care much for the Play Store applications (F-Droid is included) give it a go for a true AOSP experience. The only apps I'm really missing are Tasker and Signal, but I have a second phone for those. 0: https://copperhead.co/android/ 1:…

I been ran CM on a Nexus 5 some years ago, but since they quit releasing stables I left (the nightlies really weren't stable). Now I have a 5X. Is the latest version available on the Copperhead site for that phone "based on Nougat"?

Nope, Marshmallow [0]. 0-day 3rd-party Android ROMs aren't really a thing, since AOSP code isnt publicly updated until final release (unless that changed this cycle, but I haven't heard of it).

[0] https://copperhead.co/android/downloads?device=bullhead

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