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Bluetooth 5 will quadruple the range, double the speed

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Re: Bluetooth 5 will quadruple the range, double the speed

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> Once you go outside on a sunny day if the phone isn't directly in the line-of-sight (and even then) you'll get constant disconnects. Using multiple headsets / headphones and phones (including iPhone and multiple Androids) and I have yet to have one that DIDN'T do this. Well, I've used wireless keyboards (Apple compact) and wireless headphones (Parrot Zik 2.0), and had zero disconnects under the hottest of Suns in s…

> What do you mean "line of sight"? How far were you? Was it behind some wall or something? With the iPad/phone on my pocket/bag I never had any issue. Basically if the BT hardware itself was on the right side of my head then my phone had to be in my right pocket or I'd get semi frequent disconnects outside. So not really line-of-sight in visual spectrum terms but I have had so many observations with so many bluetoot…

Could be that it's not the sun being the problem, but not having walls. Inside, the radio waves can bounce of the walls, around your body. Outside, they have to go through your body.

Re: Bluetooth 5 will quadruple the range, double the speed

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I could not care less. - 1.0 to 1.2: Hard to pair, and very unreliable. First major version, I'm sure they'll fix it... - 2.0: More bandwidth. Still hard to pair, still unreliable. - 2.1: Adds "Simple Secure Pairing". Still hard to actually pair. Still unreliable. - 3.0: More bandwidth. More features. Still hard to pair, still unreliable. - 4.0: Bluetooth Low Energy released. Still hard to pair, still unreliable. - 4…

I ran into connection problems with any Bluetooth devices I have used.Currently I have fitbit which has all sorts of connectivity and syncing issues with Bluetooth both with windows phone and android. Previously I had Nokia Bluetooth headset which dropped connections from time to time again with Android or windows phones I tested.Before that I had an expensive Bluetooth wireless mouse from Microsoft which had issues with multiple laptops I tested.It cant be driver issues every time.

Re: Bluetooth 5 will quadruple the range, double the speed

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> Once you go outside on a sunny day if the phone isn't directly in the line-of-sight (and even then) you'll get constant disconnects. Using multiple headsets / headphones and phones (including iPhone and multiple Androids) and I have yet to have one that DIDN'T do this. Well, I've used wireless keyboards (Apple compact) and wireless headphones (Parrot Zik 2.0), and had zero disconnects under the hottest of Suns in s…

> What do you mean "line of sight"? How far were you? Was it behind some wall or something? With the iPad/phone on my pocket/bag I never had any issue. Basically if the BT hardware itself was on the right side of my head then my phone had to be in my right pocket or I'd get semi frequent disconnects outside. So not really line-of-sight in visual spectrum terms but I have had so many observations with so many bluetoot…

No, shouldn't be related at all (with the Sun, as I've gotten fine connection in the sun, whether the side etc).

Sounds like it's more about some flimsy and/or underpowered BT headsets.

Re: Bluetooth 5 will quadruple the range, double the speed

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I could not care less. - 1.0 to 1.2: Hard to pair, and very unreliable. First major version, I'm sure they'll fix it... - 2.0: More bandwidth. Still hard to pair, still unreliable. - 2.1: Adds "Simple Secure Pairing". Still hard to actually pair. Still unreliable. - 3.0: More bandwidth. More features. Still hard to pair, still unreliable. - 4.0: Bluetooth Low Energy released. Still hard to pair, still unreliable. - 4…

I can't up vote you enough. I don't even want Bluetooth to improve anymore. I have given them enough time and energy as well as money for them to improve. All Bluetooth SIG provided was disappointment, frustration, one after another.

I want something to completely replace it. Hopefully coming from WiFi 802.11. Sadly I am not aware of anything coming.

Re: Bluetooth 5 will quadruple the range, double the speed

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As it's 2.4ghz it may also be partially spectrum pollution. That said - that seems rather impressive for Bluetooth, I've had one reinforced concrete wall pretty consistently screw up most bluetooth signals in my experience, so I'd posit that you're getting unusually good reception there.

I wonder what strength the radios broadcast on. I do have a 2.4GHz wifi-router both downstairs and in the attic so you would expect no signal at all, given the situation. I'll admit that by this point it's extremely sensitive to spectrum pollution; a nearby laptop with wifi on will mess with it enough that it starts stuttering. My only issue with bluetooth is with Android; it semi-randomly likes to change pitch and s…

Yeah, anecdotal but every friend of mine that complains about BT does it in relation to their Android devices.

I've heard a couple of complaints about Macs but they're rare.

Seems the Android BT stack is just more... flaky. I wonder why...

Re: Bluetooth 5 will quadruple the range, double the speed

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I could not care less. - 1.0 to 1.2: Hard to pair, and very unreliable. First major version, I'm sure they'll fix it... - 2.0: More bandwidth. Still hard to pair, still unreliable. - 2.1: Adds "Simple Secure Pairing". Still hard to actually pair. Still unreliable. - 3.0: More bandwidth. More features. Still hard to pair, still unreliable. - 4.0: Bluetooth Low Energy released. Still hard to pair, still unreliable. - 4…

That's weird, I have a Pebble and the bluetooth is absolutely solid, even across my house. I've never had a good experience with desktops and bluetooth devices however. I wonder why drivers are so much better on mobile?

I have similar experiences. Bluetooth headphones on the phone have never been an issue, but the same devices become unreliable when paired with a PC.

Re: Bluetooth 5 will quadruple the range, double the speed

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I could not care less. - 1.0 to 1.2: Hard to pair, and very unreliable. First major version, I'm sure they'll fix it... - 2.0: More bandwidth. Still hard to pair, still unreliable. - 2.1: Adds "Simple Secure Pairing". Still hard to actually pair. Still unreliable. - 3.0: More bandwidth. More features. Still hard to pair, still unreliable. - 4.0: Bluetooth Low Energy released. Still hard to pair, still unreliable. - 4…

That's weird, I have a Pebble and the bluetooth is absolutely solid, even across my house. I've never had a good experience with desktops and bluetooth devices however. I wonder why drivers are so much better on mobile?

I've had similar experiences to OPs with older Bluetooth mice and keyboards, so I was reluctant to try the Logitech MX Master. The only reason I did was because it offered the optional Unifying receiver. Well, I haven't used that receiver yet, because the Bluetooth was very easy to pair, and I haven't had a single connection issue (delay or otherwise) yet. This thing has restored my faith in Bluetooth devices, when done right.

Re: Bluetooth 5 will quadruple the range, double the speed

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I could not care less. - 1.0 to 1.2: Hard to pair, and very unreliable. First major version, I'm sure they'll fix it... - 2.0: More bandwidth. Still hard to pair, still unreliable. - 2.1: Adds "Simple Secure Pairing". Still hard to actually pair. Still unreliable. - 3.0: More bandwidth. More features. Still hard to pair, still unreliable. - 4.0: Bluetooth Low Energy released. Still hard to pair, still unreliable. - 4…

I use a pair of Presonus bluetooth speakers daily, and have for months. There's never been a bluetooth problem. Maybe you've got bad firmware or something?

Re: Bluetooth 5 will quadruple the range, double the speed

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> What do you mean "line of sight"? How far were you? Was it behind some wall or something? With the iPad/phone on my pocket/bag I never had any issue. Basically if the BT hardware itself was on the right side of my head then my phone had to be in my right pocket or I'd get semi frequent disconnects outside. So not really line-of-sight in visual spectrum terms but I have had so many observations with so many bluetoot…

Could be that it's not the sun being the problem, but not having walls. Inside, the radio waves can bounce of the walls, around your body. Outside, they have to go through your body.

Seems reasonable and would certainly explain my issues. I wonder if Bluetooth 5 will help that in any way.

Re: Bluetooth 5 will quadruple the range, double the speed

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> How and why, that doesn't make sense at all? Not sure. I remember reading an article some time ago that stated the Sun's electromagnetic radiation could interfere with Bluetooth and it's always worked with my observations. I've used multiple Plantronics headsets, Motorola headphones and an off brand of headphones all with an iPhone 5S, iPhone 6+, Nexus 6P, Moto X and a Note 3 and in all of these devices they work g…

Another, as likely, aspect, is that Bluetooth is designed around signals bouncing off surfaces. Try moving your phone from one side of the body to the other while outside. It may well be that your surroundings do not provide enough signal reflection. Keep in mind that most mobile bluetooth radios do not transmit with the same strength as wifi. Best i can tell, only USB dongles use a wifi equivalent radio class.

Interesting and sounds reasonable. I wonder if Bluetooth 5 will help in this regard.
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