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Re: Forced Windows 10 Upgrade Shuts Down PC Used by Anti-Poaching Rangers in Africa

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Post by chris_wot »

zxcvcxz wrote: post #178
ams6110 wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was quite disgusted when I saw that Windows 10's start menu contains adverts Maybe they got the idea from Ubuntu's funneling local search queries to online search engines?

Trying to equate Canonical and MS is desperate. Microsoft is undeniably worse. And Will Microsoft remove the ads? Of course not. When windows 10 first came out the only way to remove candy crush was with power shell. http://superuser.com/questions/958562/how-do-i-remove-candy-... You will jump through these hoops every upgrade unless you go through and disable certain updates, which you will need to keep up with for…

Well, Ubuntu doesn't do those paid searches any more by default.

Re: Forced Windows 10 Upgrade Shuts Down PC Used by Anti-Poaching Rangers in Africa

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Post by yuhong »

gajjanag wrote: post #171
userbinator wrote: post #21

The amount of churn in the computer industry is staggering and the upgrade treadmill is a huge waste of resources to many, but I suppose it's the only way for them to continue making a profit. Personally, I think Windows as an OS reached its pinnacle sometime around the XP timeframe; since then it has mostly been frustrating UI changes and feature removals, "security" features designed to lock down your PC against yo…

Indeed. I am not familiar with the technical details of XP, so these are mostly observations from a user and not developer perspective: 1. On my old Pentium 4 box with 256 MB of RAM any release after XP hardly met the OS requirements. Yes, hardware has come a long way since then, but IMHO there is no technical reason why a kernel with a bare bones desktop needs more than this amount. I never understood why Microsoft'…

I think nowadays modern browsers need a lot more than that anyway though. And yes XP Professional x64 Edition was actually based on Server 2003.

Re: Forced Windows 10 Upgrade Shuts Down PC Used by Anti-Poaching Rangers in Africa

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Post by asimuvPR »

Mithaldu wrote: post #164
asimuvPR wrote: post #83

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I believe it also upgrades itself. Not sure. I really don't want to risk it because it could brick t he car's ecu (not cheap).

Welcome to being a victim of sensational misreporting. Win7 does not upgrade itself randomly or without telling you. It will schedule an upgrade, then tell you about it and give you a chance to cancel it beforehand. And using something like https://www.grc.com/never10.htm you can also disable the scheduling.

Your reply is appreciated. :)

Re: Forced Windows 10 Upgrade Shuts Down PC Used by Anti-Poaching Rangers in Africa

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Post by washadjeffmad »

ams6110 wrote: post #133
userbinator wrote: post #21

The amount of churn in the computer industry is staggering and the upgrade treadmill is a huge waste of resources to many, but I suppose it's the only way for them to continue making a profit. Personally, I think Windows as an OS reached its pinnacle sometime around the XP timeframe; since then it has mostly been frustrating UI changes and feature removals, "security" features designed to lock down your PC against yo…

I was quite disgusted when I saw that Windows 10's start menu contains adverts Maybe they got the idea from Ubuntu's funneling local search queries to online search engines?

In case anyone wasn't aware, Ubuntu is best known as an introductory Linux desktop distribution that's made a few contentious design decisions over the years, furthering its separation from traditional FOSS community values and practices.

There are hundreds[1] of distributions built around the Linux kernel, and Ubuntu was the only one to try (and be immediately condemned for) including Amazon results in local searches, which anyone who didn't want was free to disable or else try any of the many, many Debian or Ubuntu based distros without.

I don't know of another version of Windows 10 that I can install if I don't like some aspect of how it collects data or prevents me from administrating my system, but even if there were, how many users would know to set up WSUS servers to prevent errant update behaviors?

[1] http://distrowatch.com/

Re: Forced Windows 10 Upgrade Shuts Down PC Used by Anti-Poaching Rangers in Africa

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Post by codedokode »

Mithaldu wrote: post #160
codedokode wrote: post #156

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No, I was not sarcastic. Many users are happy with being unable to run unsigned apps or listen to pirated music if it makes their devices secure.

I agree with that on the principle that it's a nice thing to have if it's optional. And amazingly enough, Windows 10 actually does have that: http://i.imgur.com/XV4Hpwd.png

It depends on how this is implemented. Is it enforced on a kernel level? What if some application, like browser or email client still allows starting an unsigned .exe file? Is Windows Store protected from publishing malware? Is there real privilege and access separation for different apps?

Re: Forced Windows 10 Upgrade Shuts Down PC Used by Anti-Poaching Rangers in Africa

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Post by dang »

aluhut wrote: post #15
13of40 wrote: post #13

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I think it's weird that so many people want to demonize Microsoft for snapping to a model that Apple has been using for a decade. I'm currently in one of those weeks where every time I wake up my iPad I have to click through two separate dialogs to tell it that, no, I don't want to install the updated version of iOS it downloaded without asking. Yet everyone is fine with this. I mean, except the Linux guys, I guess.

"Everyone" meaning Apple fans. A special group on it's own. Known for paying more attention on the curves of the over expensive items they buy.

Please don't do this here.

Re: Forced Windows 10 Upgrade Shuts Down PC Used by Anti-Poaching Rangers in Africa

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Post by washadjeffmad »

cm2187 wrote: post #85
jmiserez wrote: post #82

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> Even linux (which is awful as desktop system) I disagree. Linux is great as a desktop system precisely because you're in control, not some third-party. And in terms of desktop functionality there is no meaningful difference anymore.

But the drivers problem isn't really behind them. I just purchased a lenovo laptop after reading similar comments noting the progress of linux desktop, and can't get the laptop to connect to an external monitor, despite the device being on ubuntu's certified list.

If you post your model laptop on the Ubuntu forums or on reddit.com/r/linuxquestions with your issue, you'll likely get either a solution or enough information to know how about soon support will be added for your device. It's often a solved problem just with no upstream patch yet.

Re: Forced Windows 10 Upgrade Shuts Down PC Used by Anti-Poaching Rangers in Africa

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Post by m_mueller »

curiousgal wrote: post #2

As per the post[0], the upgrade did not crash the computer BUT it did download 6Gb of data over satellite-internet which can be quite expensive. OP is having an AMA[1]. 0. https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/4mcdon/i_live_i... 1. https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/4mirin/i_am_the_accid...

While MS is clearly using dark patterns here IMO the user is at mostly fault for the internet bill. If you have an expensive metered internet connection and you don't do all the necessary steps to prohibit autoupdates it's only a matter of time until this repeats itself with any other software installed. The Win10 update never circumvented a disabled auto-update-download setting, correct?

Re: Forced Windows 10 Upgrade Shuts Down PC Used by Anti-Poaching Rangers in Africa

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Post by aaron695 »

userbinator wrote: post #21

The amount of churn in the computer industry is staggering and the upgrade treadmill is a huge waste of resources to many, but I suppose it's the only way for them to continue making a profit. Personally, I think Windows as an OS reached its pinnacle sometime around the XP timeframe; since then it has mostly been frustrating UI changes and feature removals, "security" features designed to lock down your PC against yo…

> I think Windows as an OS reached its pinnacle sometime around the XP timeframe; since then it has mostly been frustrating UI changes and feature removals, "security" features designed to lock down your PC against you and instead follow the commands of some corporate entity, and massive amounts of data collection.

This is bullshit.

There have been many huge behind the scenes efficiency improvements plus security improvements.

Seriously, Microsoft has issues but this sort of tripe doesn't help the anti-Microsoft cause.

Re: Forced Windows 10 Upgrade Shuts Down PC Used by Anti-Poaching Rangers in Africa

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Post by sundvor »

Mithaldu wrote: post #113
swang wrote: post #101

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if you were designing that dialog box to actually let users control whether or not they could upgrade to win 10 and made sure they made the right choice, is that how you would have designed the dialog box? again the dialog box microsoft designed was not to help out the users. it was to trick them into upgrading win 10. the dialog is purposely built to trick users into clicking on the X, something users have been taug…

You have a good point. And to be fair, the misreporting and misrepresentation of the reality in the discourse about windows upgrades caused my pendulum to swing too far in the other direction. MS is engaging in dark patterns, and that is what needs to be stated clearly, and directly, not the sensationalist, and wrong "windows updated automatically and there was nothing i could do". > having the close button _agree_ t…

Just came across how you get "signed up" for the upgrade - see the main screenshot here:

http://www.pcworld.com/article/3078663/windows/microsoft-den...

That's definitely a textbook case of a dark pattern.

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