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Microsoft no longer allows admins to block Windows Store access in Win10 Pro

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Re: Microsoft no longer allows admins to block Windows Store access in Win10 Pro

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Post by daveguy »

cm3 wrote: post #119
jrcii wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I lived through the exact same disaster. I spent HOURS on the phone trying to acquire a license for Windows 7 Enterprise, I needed it for Hyper-V. Microsoft's main number, dead-end IVR system. Tried the Microsoft Store, they routed me to the dead-end IVR system. 50 or so minutes after my initial attempt I got some person that could barely speak English from India routing me to a voicemail, a couple of times Microsoft…

Reminds of the time when I wanted to get a license for a piece of software and they only offered training courses for teams coupled with a software license. I chalked it off as being outside their customer target group.

Which software was that? Sounds very "enterprise".

Re: Microsoft no longer allows admins to block Windows Store access in Win10 Pro

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Post by barbs »

cm2187 wrote: post #114
TheRealDunkirk wrote: post #102

The ball is back in Apple's court. They seem to take the end user more seriously, but they've been mixed. I made a comment taking Microsoft to task when their surreptitious telemetry came to light, and someone pointed me to proof that Apple was doing about the same thing. This is Apple's chance to continue to distance themselves from their competition. They've done well standing up for privacy, with the recent FBI de…

Would you trust google more than microsoft with your privacy? A google OS sounds more like a fox in the henhouse than a solution to the invasion of privacy.

I imagine the OS would be open-source, which would probably make it more trustworthy than Windows.

Not saying it'd be completely trustworthy, however...

Re: Microsoft no longer allows admins to block Windows Store access in Win10 Pro

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Post by userbinator »

camperman wrote: post #107

I always snigger at the formula of Microsoft's public statements. You just know that in the first paragraph it will claim - disingenuously - to be doing the exact opposite of whatever it's accused of. And sure enough the very first sentence is: "Microsoft is focused on helping enterprises manage their environment while giving people choice in the apps and devices they use to be productive across work and life." You c…

"giving people choice" = "giving people the choices we made"

This sort of doublespeak is not restricted to Microsoft. About "choice" and freedom/personalisation in general, Mozilla is the other one that comes to mind with this amazing article:

https://blog.mozilla.org/advancingcontent/2014/02/11/publish...

Re: Microsoft no longer allows admins to block Windows Store access in Win10 Pro

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Post by taspeotis »

rjbwork wrote: post #179
drglitch wrote: post #16

Microsoft enterprise/SMB sales process (via channel partners) is a laughable disaster. Recent task: Run a Windows Server VM on Azure, with 4 remote desktop users connecting in. Result: almost a MONTH of back and fourth with THREE different MSPs since none of them knew details of proper licensing. In fact, even Azure support did not know licensing terms and said just to contact the MSPs, who in turn advised we contact…

I'm slightly confused...you think the multiple users RDPing into it will cause an increase in cost if you go 100% legit? The price of the windows OS is priced into the Azure hosting costs. Windows vms are a bit more expensive than linux ones for this reason.

Remote Desktop on Azure is a bit of a licensing nightmare. See this [1] old blog post:

> Effective January 1, 2014, Volume Licensing customers who have active Software Assurance on their RDS User CALs are entitled to RDS CAL Extended Rights, which allow use of their RDS User CAL with Software Assurance against a Windows Server running on Windows Azure

Licensing costs for Remote Desktop Services (not Azure RemoteApp) is not built-in to the virtual machine pricing.

[1] https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/luispanzano/2013/07/15/remo...

Re: Microsoft no longer allows admins to block Windows Store access in Win10 Pro

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Post by userbinator »

manigandham wrote: post #148
cm2187 wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One thing that windows 10 absolutely hates users changing is firewall rules. I regularly see my custom rules disappearing. This is unacceptable .

The windows firewall is also tied into pretty much everything in the system, disabling that service messes with lots of stuff, like installing fonts: http://superuser.com/questions/957907/unable-to-install-font...

That sort of completely insane dependency deserves a specially enunciated WTF!?!?

I would not be surprised if somehow installing or opening a font was tied into some sort of telemetry system (or maybe DRM-ish licensing crap) that requires Internet access in some way or another. Unbelievably scary and deeply disturbing.

Re: Microsoft no longer allows admins to block Windows Store access in Win10 Pro

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Post by rjbwork »

jheriko wrote: post #163

the criticism here is imo unfounded. MS are exceptionally supportive of developers in my experience, and this feels like part of that. since blocking access to the store is in fact an enterprise requirement... why not restrict it to the enterprise edition? ... and besides that. how about employers trusting their employees anyway? this is much less than what other platform holders have done in this respect too... Appl…

>this is much less than what other platform holders have done in this respect too... Apple being foremost amongst the worst in this category - and yet still receiving fanboy support to the level of religiosity.

People just like to hate on MS due to their feelings from the 90's and early 00's imo.

Re: Microsoft no longer allows admins to block Windows Store access in Win10 Pro

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Post by overgard »

jalami wrote: post #158

Microsoft isn't the only guy doing this. I understand enterprise/professional customers have gotten exceptions for years, but for everyone else this is common practice on almost all other platforms. I still think it's a bad practice. Microsoft is just following the other companies that are winning and somehow doing so without pissing their userbases off. Their main asset, as I see it, are people that cannot or will n…

I agree, we should be taking everyone to task for this. Nobody cares enough though. It's just inevitable that this is the future. I don't know why. People are just too beat down to raise a fuss? It's too much of an inconvenience? Hard to say, but somehow it's just become how things are.

Re: Microsoft no longer allows admins to block Windows Store access in Win10 Pro

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Post by AckSyn »

barbs wrote: post #178
GigabyteCoin wrote: post #31

And this particular sysadmin-for-my-family will no longer allow windows to be installed on any of our computers whenever they are in need of a reinstall. Windows is becoming more and more like Facebook. Too many users changed a setting you don't agree with? Just block access to that setting or call it something else to confuse enough people to the point that the numbers are "good enough" for management. Almost every…

> Too many users changed a setting you don't agree with? Just block access to that setting or call it something else to confuse enough people to the point that the numbers are "good enough" for management. Ergh, agreed. Ever try to change the default search engine in Edge to something other than Bing? Hoops galore.

How is it a hoop to go to https://www.google.com and click your mouse a few times? You make it sound like a chore!

Re: Microsoft no longer allows admins to block Windows Store access in Win10 Pro

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Post by cm2187 »

barbs wrote: post #182
cm2187 wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would you trust google more than microsoft with your privacy? A google OS sounds more like a fox in the henhouse than a solution to the invasion of privacy.

I imagine the OS would be open-source, which would probably make it more trustworthy than Windows. Not saying it'd be completely trustworthy, however...

But at the end of the day, chrome OS or whatever would be a desktop equivalent would just be another flavor of linux. Why chose a distribution managed by a known privacy "predator" over any other distribution then?

Re: Microsoft no longer allows admins to block Windows Store access in Win10 Pro

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Post by barbs »

meepmorp wrote: post #7
askyourmother wrote: post #3

Another nail in the coffin for winblows in the workplace. We just migrated a 300 headcount org onto a mixture of Linux and BSD kit, and they could not be happier. Mickeysoft have to realise inertia for change is not that strong, businesses have more choices today and they could and should abandon the burning platform.

You forgot to call them M$; that's how people know to take you seriously.

And their product is Windoze
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