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Re: Scrum is the new waterfall

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Post by kuschku » Fri, Nov 13, 2015, 8:13 PM UTC

kelrien wrote: post #179

kuschku wrote: post #72

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And I can tell you that even some cloud software, like the Elektronische Gesundheitskarte was developed with Waterfall. Often you have to design software interacting with dozens of other entities, all who are going to write software interacting with your system. And your system is supposed to be able to run for years or decades with minimal maintenance. Agile is far more suited for web apps, or small mobile apps, whi…

Actually that is incorrect. The Elektronische Gesundheitskarte was developed with "V-Modell". V-Modell, now V-Modell XT is the mandatory process for projects run by the german government.

Which is an expansion of Waterfall. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e8/Systems_...

Re: Scrum is the new waterfall

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Post by kuschku » Fri, Nov 13, 2015, 8:14 PM UTC

jdbernard wrote: post #82

kuschku wrote: post #64

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I’ve worked on some agile projects from others that I picked up and had to "fix", where we, now, after 2 years of trying to work with them, have decided to completely rewrite them from scratch. Every agile project I’ve seen yet was just a huge ball of technical debt. It worked, it had few user-facing bugs, but adding features was impossible, and the documentation was "whatever the software does". Completely matched t…

As compared to the waterfall projects I've witnessed, most of which never made it to completion, the rest of which were far away from what the client actually wanted once delivered. Unfortunately, outside of a small percentage of companies, most software written today is just bad.

Well, except most government-scale projects that work out well are Waterfall or V-XT.

Re: Scrum is the new waterfall

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Post by kelrien » Sun, Nov 15, 2015, 12:37 AM UTC

kuschku wrote: post #181

kelrien wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually that is incorrect. The Elektronische Gesundheitskarte was developed with "V-Modell". V-Modell, now V-Modell XT is the mandatory process for projects run by the german government.

Which is an expansion of Waterfall. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e8/Systems_...

If you read the description of v-modell carefully, you would have realized that v-modell isnt a strict process and does not define in which order certain steps have to be made.

Before tailoring (which can be used to create an agile process as much as waterfall btw) it just tells you WHAT has to be done and not HOW it has to be done. The order and iterations of each step is defined during the tailoring step.