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Meet Model X
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#182Earlier quoted context omitted.
That is pretty amazing pricing. Most premium families would be looking to the Land Rover Evoque ($41K), BMW X5 ($54K) etc But Tesla is pricing it not to compete with the baseline Porsche Cayenne ($58K) but around the Cayenne Turbo S level ($157K). I guess they aren't planning on building a lot of them.
I spend a lot of time in a little ski town near me (Park City) that is absolutely covered in Porsche Cayenne Turbos. It's the perfect SUV for your family + ski gear + showing off just a little bit that you're really wealthy. I have zero doubt the parking lots next to the ski slopes will be covered in Model X's in a couple of years.
Hmm, what about the batteries though. The Tesla will have to expend energy to keep them warm right?
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#183Roughly estimated carbon production of manufacturing (I got these numbers from a german discussion, one source for battery carbon production is: http://www.focus.de/auto/experten/duennes/oekobilanz-von-ele... ): ------------------------------------------ VW Polo GTI: 2 tons BMW M5: 2,5 tons BMW I3: 4 tons Tesla Modell X 13 tons Manufacturing + 100.000km: -------------------------- BMW I3 -> 9,6 tons VW Polo GTI -> 18…
It's not fair to compare the Model X to a Sedan. Do you have numbers for other SUVs? Remember the idea here is that it's assumed you'll be buying a car already.
Also, even if the total lifetime carbon was equal, it's still better to buy a vehicle that produces all that carbon in localized places where it could possibly be captured instead of all over crowded urban areas.
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#184Earlier quoted context omitted.
AFAIK the prices announced so far are only for the special editions. Actual pricing will be a bit lower. That said, the P90D is faster at 0-60 (with Ludicrous mode) than the Cayenne Turbo S. So there is that.
It accelerates faster (3.2 to 4.1). It has a lower top speed (155mph to 176mph).
You do 0-60 -- or more realistically, 5-65 -- at every highway on-ramp in the country.
When do you go faster than 100 mph?
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#185Earlier quoted context omitted.
AFAIK the prices announced so far are only for the special editions. Actual pricing will be a bit lower. That said, the P90D is faster at 0-60 (with Ludicrous mode) than the Cayenne Turbo S. So there is that.
It accelerates faster (3.2 to 4.1). It has a lower top speed (155mph to 176mph).
Unless you live in Germany you're not really ever going to hit that top speed. You will however have ample chance to take advantage of the acceleration.
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#186Okay.. I'm a Model S owner and I love Tesla and I chuckled at the whole Insane mode and gave a bit of an amused snort at Ludicrous mode. This, however, really makes me wonder WTH is going on there: HEPA Air Filters "There are three modes: circulate with outside air, re-circulate inside air and a bioweapon defense mode that creates positive pressure inside the cabin to protect occupants ." EDIT: Very fair points about…
> bioweapon defense mode that creates positive pressure inside the cabin to protect occupants Ever drove past a skunk corpse ? Only happened to me a few times when I traveled in the USA - still have PTSD...
Recirculating cabin air is plenty for skunk. Even economy American cars -- that no-one would confuse with exceptional engineering -- do just fine keeping the stink out.
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#187Earlier quoted context omitted.
> bioweapon defense mode that creates positive pressure inside the cabin to protect occupants Ever drove past a skunk corpse ? Only happened to me a few times when I traveled in the USA - still have PTSD...
Recirculating cabin air is plenty for skunk. Even economy American cars -- that no-one would confuse with exceptional engineering -- do just fine keeping the stink out.
My old GMC Jimmy had no recirculate setting. Incredible. We live off gravel roads. When following another car, I had to just stop and wait a minute for the air to clear, else I'd be choked by lime dust in seconds.
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#188Seven seats car seems to address a very small niche.
Not really. The average family + 1 friend "just" fits in a 5-seater SUV. Having a 7-seater means being able to bring along more than one person. "Hey, we can all ride together!" becomes a very normal part of conversation. Bundle that with the fact that everyone can ride together and everyone saves 100% money on gas, well, it's a no-brainer people will start carpooling more since there are more seats.
"no-brainer people will start carpooling more" ?
I don't think people buying Teslas will start carpooling any time soon.
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#189If I had a family, and disposable income, this would definitely be my vehicle of choice. That said, I liked this bit: "There are three modes: circulate with outside air, re-circulate inside air and a bioweapon defense mode that creates positive pressure inside the cabin to protect occupants." Funny regardless, but insane if true.
Warships and armoured vehicles have used internal overpressure since the 1950s, it's a basic aspect of NBC defence. And it was one of the reasons NATO warships were so sparsely equipped with portholes, no point having overpressure if Seaman Jones can leave a window open. Anyway, it really shows to me what a completely pointless vehicle this is. Yes it's a technical tour-de-force, but it does nothing to move EV adopti…
> If Tesla were to attack the low-end, where the majority of car sales occur, then I'd pay attention.
Then you are not paying attention. Tesla strategy is to start at the top, with higher margins and lower volumes (meaning lower costs) and gradually move down. According to Musk the Model 3 will be available next year and cost $35k.
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#190How is that an SUV?
"SUV" doesn't mean anything specific. Look around you on the road: SUVs are the new minivans. People buying new cars today grew up in minivans, and the last thing you want to drive is the thing your mom drove. Give it another 20 years and I bet we see the minivan come back in style as kids growing up with SUVs now think of them as the soccer-mom-mobiles that they are.
You're forgetting about station wagons.