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Re: Coding Horror and blogs.stackoverflow.com experience "100% Data Loss"

#171

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Yeah, but if you pay for a mission critical service and never bother testing it, you've pretty much passively decided to fail.

Joining the chorus of other people saying "WRONG". Reason 1: I pay for my bank account one way or another. It's bank's responsibility to keep the system running and secure, not mine. Sometimes we just can't do everything ourselves and have to rely on others. Reason 2: Many of us host something somewhere. How many do backups? How many of us check the backups? How many do check the backups checking process? (enter infi…

Banks make a bad analogy.

Sure, it should be the bank's responsibility to keep accounts safe. However, the fact that bank accounts are considered to be "safe" is in a large part due to systemic factors like the existence of the Fed (as lender of the last resort), FDIC, general political climate of "too big too fail", etc. As mentioned above, banks actually do go under a lot; it's just not as noticeable to the clients as before [the central banks], but the cost is there. (And there's a whole discourse there of whether it's a good idea for monetary system to have this kind of environment in the long run.)

In any case, nothing of the sort applies to the hosting providers (or even can be applied, as insuring unique data is not the same as insuring amounts of money) -- so assuming that keeping data there is as safe as keeping money in the bank is not a viable comparison.

Re: Coding Horror and blogs.stackoverflow.com experience "100% Data Loss"

#172

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If you fail to audit and test your disaster recovery procedures on a regular basis, then you fail at competently maintaining your infrastructure. No excuses.

Do you also test that your airbags work properly? I don't audit and test the safety measures on most of the equipment in my house: that's what I pay the supplier for and there'll be hell to pay when they screw it up. Similarly, I don't audit and test my disaster recovery procedures, because that is what I pay my hosting partner for.

When you test airbags, you have to then replace them. This is possibly the worst car analogy ever :-)

Re: Coding Horror and blogs.stackoverflow.com experience "100% Data Loss"

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they have a lag (it's supposed to be 6 months, but they're trailing that at the moment).

Yeah, I knew about the lag, but 1 1/2 years of lag seemed to signify other issues to me.

another data point here (i have been wondering about what is happening ever since this thread) - i just noticed that archive.org's bot has crawled my web site in the last month (or, at least, something identifying itself as such in the logs).

Re: Coding Horror and blogs.stackoverflow.com experience "100% Data Loss"

#175

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Yeah, but if you pay for a mission critical service and never bother testing it, you've pretty much passively decided to fail.

Is codinghorror really mission critical? He will restore from some other backups. Downtime on a blog is not that big a deal other than people like to hate on Jeff Atwood. Now if he lost customer credit card records or something like that, then it would be warranted.

If codinghorror somehow allows Jeff to live without working then I would say it is pretty mission critical. Mission critical doesn't mean the Earth will blow up or something like that.
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