Live data from Hacker News

Duolingo Raises $45M, Now Valued at $470M

techcrunch.com

171–180 of 189 posts

Re: Duolingo Raises $45M, Now Valued at $470M

#171
post #143
post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It is arguably the best way to learn the language; after all, it was the way you learned your first language It took me ten years to be as proficient as a ten years old kid in my first language. So I don't think the way we learn our first language is necessary the best way to learn language in general.

You were also pretty dumb at the time, and not trying to learn it very actively. And, I would say I was passably proficient by about 7. At least enough to read relatively simple non-picture books.

You've got multiple advantages to learning a language as an adult as well, and there's really no reason to go through the extremely inefficient method of learning a new language the same way you did as a kid

1) You have the ability to translate. You already know the concepts and ideas - you don't have to abstract meaning from noises - you already know the meaning, you just have to correlate it

2) You understand grammar concepts. It may be quite different in your target language - I have been learning 日本語 for some time, and grammar is wildly different from English - but there's still a lot of things you only need to learn a few differences of, vs. having to learn the concepts from scratch

With our first language, we have to sit there and learn by what sounds right vs. what sounds wrong. This is so hilariously trial and error and completely inefficient that it makes the entire process far slower than it would be if we had any other way to do it.

How long does it take you to figure out verb conjugation the way you learn a first language? Quite some time. You probably don't get it fully right in all cases until you later enter classes that go over the grammar rules. In Japanese, I was conjugating verbs, including irregular and negative forms, at multiple politeness levels, in about two hours of learning conjugation. And I rarely made mistakes after that. Why? Because I already understand verb conjugation. It's a concept I have a solid grasp on in my native tongue, and only needed to learn a few new rules to graft onto the existing framework.

Re: Duolingo Raises $45M, Now Valued at $470M

#172

This is the kind of startup I believe and hope will survive when the current tech bubble bursts. They have a real technical solution to a real problem and are making their money by charging people for a service that is worthwhile enough to pay for. They're contributing to humanity in a meaningful way that's worthwhile. All these social media sites that make their money off advertising or selling user data can all go…

Yes, like Youtube, Duolingo has what it takes to function in a capitalistic system. For capitalism to work, you ( very grossly ) need 3 things: Capital (ships, factories, stamp machines, etc), Laborers (gardeners, secretaries, miners, etc ), and Customers (vinyl collectors, beer drinkers, tourists, etc). Many companies in tech confuse 2 or more of these things as the same. Twitter boasts of it's users, which one thin…

Both Youtube and Duolingo could be viewed as two-sided markets: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-sided_market

Re: Duolingo Raises $45M, Now Valued at $470M

#174
What amazes me most about all this is just how badly Rosetta Stone missed the boat. I used one of their (rather expensive) lessons years ago, but the lack of a mobile version meant I could only use it at home and not on the go, when I actually had time to spare. It seemed like such a no-brainier to me at the time. In a time where people were paying £300 for their retail software, they could easily have sold loads on the App Store.

Now I use Duolingo multiple times per week on my phone and I wouldn't even think about paying for Rosetta Stone anymore.

Re: Duolingo Raises $45M, Now Valued at $470M

#175

What amazes me most about all this is just how badly Rosetta Stone missed the boat. I used one of their (rather expensive) lessons years ago, but the lack of a mobile version meant I could only use it at home and not on the go, when I actually had time to spare. It seemed like such a no-brainier to me at the time. In a time where people were paying £300 for their retail software, they could easily have sold loads on…

Speaking of Rosetta Stone, their market cap is only $189m and they made $260m in revenue last year.

I get that DuoLingo has a nice mobile interface, but do they have a larger marketshare than Rosetta Stone?

Re: Duolingo Raises $45M, Now Valued at $470M

#176

Duolingo is pretty nice, but often the voices are odd and I'm not so sure the pronunciation detection is accurate. Hard to complain for a free product, of course. Lingvist is fairly new and French-only for now, yet I feel like I'm making more progress with that than I did with Duolingo. Not sure why that's the case. I'm pairing both with French vocabulary decks on Brainscape, which is an Anki-like SRS app. Lingvist c…

You should try Frantastique, it's pretty cool.

Re: Duolingo Raises $45M, Now Valued at $470M

#177

Since there are so many Duoling fans here, I have to ask: am I the only one who finds the app almost unusable because there's no theory? For German I used to try the exercises on my commute, but suddenly the app expected me to use "dem" instead of "der" without any explanation. I can't be the only one with this problem, right? Or is there a "new concepts" tab that I've never seen?

I had done about 12 months of German with an actual German teacher before duolingo. The theory was enough the get me started, and I then continued learning a lot with duolingo. But as for getting started from zero, you milage will vary according to how many languages you know.

As for what you're asking, I guess it's really hard for english-speakers. I'm bilingual, and coming from spanish and being fluid in english, it's a lot easier. The main thing is: nouns have a gender, and the article ("the") do as well. Do "die" is feminine, "das" neutral, and "der" masculine.

Verbs also conjugate differently according to gender.

Re: Duolingo Raises $45M, Now Valued at $470M

#178
That's really good to hear. And it's a shame that such a company "only" raises $45M where Wunderlist gets 100-200 (i like Wunderlist but i think there is so much more value and potential in Duolingo!). I tried several Android apps for learning new languages and duolingo was by far the best, imo.

Now, can i have German->Japanese in Duolingo, please? :)

Re: Duolingo Raises $45M, Now Valued at $470M

#179
post #46
post #42

In order to pull in $50m revenue per year, Duolingo are going to need to sell 2,500,000 certifications. Is that doable?

$50 million seems like an arbitrary amount of revenue to expect DuoLingo to pull in. How do you come up with that number?

Rosetta Stone pull in that much per quarter.

And manage to run at loss, with it.

Re: Duolingo Raises $45M, Now Valued at $470M

#180
post #59

Still waiting for their Russian course!

Hey, you can't hardly expect them to provide a course for such a minor, exotic language. Maybe you should try Irish or Ukrainian instead?

If you learn Ukrainian, you should be basically halfway there.
Post reply on HN