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How the DEA took a young man’s life savings without charging him with a crime

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Re: How the DEA took a young man’s life savings without charging him with a crime

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"The DEA" didn't steal Joseph Rivers' life savings. Some particular DEA agents did. And the theft was OKed by various other federal employees, who knew (or should have known) that he was entirely innocent.

Two things come to mind. We can compensate Joseph for his loss through his gofundme campaign.[0] But we can also start naming the thieves. One of the accomplices is reportedly "Sean [R.] Waite, agent-in-charge of the DEA’s Albuquerque office".[1] Who are the rest?

[0] http://www.gofundme.com/u6e2mwc

[1] http://www.freeabq.com/?p=1791

Re: How the DEA took a young man’s life savings without charging him with a crime

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As a potential tourist or traveller (I am not to be fair), I wouldn't risk travelling to the US. I'm not sure if there are actual tourists who feel the same, but I'm sure there are other avoiding the US.

Personaly the more I read the less I'm interested to ever go to US. I admit, it's partly because of gun control (absence of it), police burtality and twisted laws, but at the same time I don't even know a single place I would to visit in US...

Re: How the DEA took a young man’s life savings without charging him with a crime

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's hard to get your money back because the government treats it as if it weren't your money. What happens is since the DEA can't prove you're involved in a crime they sue... your money. There will be a case in federal court that will be something like "Leonhart v $23,174". They don't even have to notify you. So. At this point you're not a party to the proceeding, so you can't do any of the normal things you'd do if…

But there is some process by which you can prove the money is yours and you are entitled for it to be returned? For example, petitioning to be involved in the case, can it be denied? Is it just a procedural nightmare? Then what? I'd just be interested in the deeper story about actually trying to get the money back. If you show the paper trail of exactly where the dollars came from, are the judges still ruling against…

The problem is that you're paying for legal representation. Even if you get the money back by the time you pay legal bills there may not be much of it left.

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While civil forfeiture is scary, my (very very brief) stint doing criminal law as a public defender showed me that there's also a bigger side of this -- seizing the assets of individuals who are charged with a crime so that they cannot attain private counsel, make bail, or receive any creature comforts while incarcerated. What will generally happen is that after sitting in jail for 120+ days, they'll jump at any oppo…

The State of New Mexico has just banned asset forfeiture.

HB 560, introduced by New Mexico Rep. Zachary Cook and passed unanimously in the legislature, replaces civil asset forfeiture with criminal forfeiture, which requires a conviction of a person as a prerequisite to losing property tied to a crime. The new law means that New Mexico now has the strongest protections against wrongful asset seizures in the country.

Link to the bill:

http://www.nmlegis.gov/Sessions/15%20Regular/final/HB0560.pd...

Re: How the DEA took a young man’s life savings without charging him with a crime

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

So do I vote for s Republicrat or a Republicrat? Or maybe s third party with no chance?

You help built momentum for a proper electoral system instead of the garbage we have now. I blows my mind that after centuries we still have something as idiotic as the electoral college, and all the imbalance it brings, in our nation.

Yep: http://www.nationalpopularvote.com/

If your state's signed on, great, you're done.

If your state hasn't yet signed on, call up your legislators, write to them, get your pals to do the same.

Make noise, make it clear this is an issue they should start caring about.

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As a potential tourist or traveller (I am not to be fair), I wouldn't risk travelling to the US. I'm not sure if there are actual tourists who feel the same, but I'm sure there are other avoiding the US.

I can tell you, there are a lot of people that 'feel the same'. I know of people even avoiding business-trips to the US (more because of invasive TSA-practices, and seized laptops and hard drives, than civil asset forfeiture).

Re: How the DEA took a young man’s life savings without charging him with a crime

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No one touched on it but what if "civil forfeiture" style of theft is being ignored all the way at the top since it helps push people from using cash to using credit and hence gives more power to the state and banks.

In the past in US gold was seized, now cash is being seized, seems to me like a trend to herd people into the system where banks and credit card companies can take a cut of everything + make things easier for IRS + make things easier for NSA as you be leaving a digital trail.

It is Orwellian beyond belief.

Re: How the DEA took a young man’s life savings without charging him with a crime

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For all the Americans on HN, just be clear that the DEA is acting in our name. They represent us, and we are responsible for their actions. This and worse occurs every day, and will continue to until we get our elected representatives to stop it.

So do I vote for s Republicrat or a Republicrat? Or maybe s third party with no chance?

You know, I hear this attitude all the time. I think it reflects lazy thinking, and the conflation of cynicism and "cool".

Yes, money in politics is a corrupting influence, yes, neither major party gets it right on some big issues (like the size of our military and how ready we are to use it, how much wall street gets away with ripping us off, etc), but are they the same?

No, of course not. Had McCain won in 2008, think we'd be looking at something like McCainCare now? As imperfect as Obamacare is, it's a vast improvement over the old status quo, and not an issue the republicans were going to tackle in our lifetimes.

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