Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Announcing the Surface 3

blog.surface.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

171–180 of 345 posts

Re: Announcing the Surface 3

#171

Post by scienceoflife »

emsy wrote: post #167

Slightly off-topic, but my wife needs a new PC with pen input (as she needs to draw a lot). Does anyone with an Atom tablet happen to know if this will work with Photoshop (it's the heaviest program she'll be using)? If not what are the alternatives? I heard the Lenovo Yoga 2 is better than the Surface Pro 3 but I'm terribly out of the topic since a while now.

I would suggest a touch screen that supports a professional drawing stylus. There are styluses that can do more features. http://www.sensubrush.com/

Re: Announcing the Surface 3

#172

Post by seanmcdirmid »

emsy wrote: post #167

Slightly off-topic, but my wife needs a new PC with pen input (as she needs to draw a lot). Does anyone with an Atom tablet happen to know if this will work with Photoshop (it's the heaviest program she'll be using)? If not what are the alternatives? I heard the Lenovo Yoga 2 is better than the Surface Pro 3 but I'm terribly out of the topic since a while now.

Gabe at penny arcade uses an SP3 for his art, but it's mostly Illustrator, I think.

http://penny-arcade.com/news/post/2014/05/23/surface-pro-3

Re: Announcing the Surface 3

#173

Post by Sealy »

symmetricsaurus wrote: post #113
Sealy wrote: post #94

Does anyone else see the glaring difference between how Microsoft markets its products VS how Apple markets their products? Microsoft: List 101 features. Tell everyone how amazing each new feature is. Remind everyone that there is a huge array of features. List them out again. Apple: Take a nice photo. Done.

Main points from http://www.apple.com/macbook/ : * Dimensions * Keyboard size * Screen resolution * Trackpad features * Wireless capabilities * No fan * Battery design and battery life * Operating system * Apps ... Seems like a bunch of features to me. Can't view Apple's videos since I don't have Quicktime, so I can't compare there. Edit: Apple's page is prettier than Microsoft's.

Fair point. What I wanted to get across is that when Apple releases a new product, I see the picture, and I just want it.

When Microsoft releases a product, it seems like their marketing department just wants to hammer a list of features into my head which just results in me not wanting anything.

Any marketer want to give their two cents?

Re: Announcing the Surface 3

#174

Post by seanmcdirmid »

scienceoflife wrote: post #171
emsy wrote: post #167

Slightly off-topic, but my wife needs a new PC with pen input (as she needs to draw a lot). Does anyone with an Atom tablet happen to know if this will work with Photoshop (it's the heaviest program she'll be using)? If not what are the alternatives? I heard the Lenovo Yoga 2 is better than the Surface Pro 3 but I'm terribly out of the topic since a while now.

I would suggest a touch screen that supports a professional drawing stylus. There are styluses that can do more features. http://www.sensubrush.com/

Well, if you want to go pro, you would have to go with a Wacom Cintiq.

Re: Announcing the Surface 3

#175

Post by fencepost »

patja wrote: post #103
forgotAgain wrote: post #82

It's just sleazy that all of their advertising is centered on how the keyboard differentiates the device from other tablets and then the keyboard isn't included in the base price.

What's puzzling is that in the "what's in the box" section of the product page, which is where I look for this kind of "gotcha", there is no mention or photo of the stylus being included. I'm sure it is, but it seems like a colossal marketing oversight to not explicitly state that the pen is included in the box. And in the tech specs it states there is support for the surface pen...but again nothing about a pen being…

It'll work with a finger or generic capacitive stylus just not be as accurate. Since they support both modes, they can leave the relatively expensive stylus out.

Re: Announcing the Surface 3

#176

Post by joshuapants »

Someone1234 wrote: post #96
forgotAgain wrote: post #82

It's just sleazy that all of their advertising is centered on how the keyboard differentiates the device from other tablets and then the keyboard isn't included in the base price.

I strongly agree with this. The keyboard is great. Having a choice of keyboards is also great. However Microsoft makes the keyboard a core part of this device (both literally, and in adverts) so to me there should be no scenario where it doesn't ship with one. They should just set the price at $599 and include the keyboard. At least it is an "out the door" price then, not $500 with a hidden $100 tack-on.

I believe the idea behind not including it is that you can choose the color of your keyboard without them having to anticipate demand for certain colors and package them together. I don't think that's a very good rationalization (just give them an option for keyboard color and ship a second box!), however.

Re: Announcing the Surface 3

#177

Post by dman »

josefresco wrote: post #154
dman wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not a very fair comparision since at this point that laptop is EOL'ed and its original price is 1199.

Oddly, I ventured out to find the current price of the XPS 11 and Dell doesn't even publish it. You have to call for pricing (oh how Dell has changed). The XPS 12 starts at 149 so I'm assuming the 11 is a bit lower? http://www.dell.com/us/p/xps-11-9p33/pd?p=xps-11-9p33&view=p...

XPS 11 is end of lifed and discontinued from what I understand.

Re: Announcing the Surface 3

#178

Post by WorldWideWayne »

emsy wrote: post #167

Slightly off-topic, but my wife needs a new PC with pen input (as she needs to draw a lot). Does anyone with an Atom tablet happen to know if this will work with Photoshop (it's the heaviest program she'll be using)? If not what are the alternatives? I heard the Lenovo Yoga 2 is better than the Surface Pro 3 but I'm terribly out of the topic since a while now.

If I were an artist, I don't think that I could resist trying out the Cintiq Companion 2. It's a tablet computer from Wacom running full Windows 8.1 Pro with 8GB of RAM and a 256GB SSD. But that's not all because you can plug it into any PC or Mac and then proceed to use the tablet as an input device.

Check it out - http://www.wacom.com/en-us/products/pen-displays/cintiq-comp...

Re: Announcing the Surface 3

#179

Post by freehunter »

gurkendoktor wrote: post #165
freehunter wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it any different from from the Macbook versus Macbook Pro? Massively different devices. The odd duck out is the Surface RT line, which seems to be abandoned now, removing that confusion.

There is nothing that runs on one Mac that doesn't run on all the others. Apple's device classes are getting confusing, but at least everything in a category has access to the full ecosystem (either iOS or OS X).

There's nothing that runs on current-gen Microsoft hardware that doesn't run on all the others either, with the exception of phones (and Apple has that limitation too). There are no current-gen Windows RT devices.

Re: Announcing the Surface 3

#180

Post by emsy »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #174
scienceoflife wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would suggest a touch screen that supports a professional drawing stylus. There are styluses that can do more features. http://www.sensubrush.com/

Well, if you want to go pro, you would have to go with a Wacom Cintiq.

That's where we're coming from. She was using my Wacom Cintiq, but she's mainly comfortable working on the couch and she needs it for elaborate line drawings, rather than paintings (she works in education). The iPad just didn't work out because she's uses a special windows software for the whiteboards. So a Win 8 tablet with a digitizer seems like the perfect match, I'm just uncertain which tablet to buy.
Post reply on HN