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Re: Ask HN: I am the dumbest person in the room. What should I do?

#171
You may be inferior to them in term of skills, but let me write what I think of your situation: You would be in the same exact miserable state even if you were 10 times better than all of them combined.

I think the big problem here is that your co-workers are assholes, no skills level can change that.

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#172
>My teammates have tons of experience

i think it's too early to judge these guys either positively or negatively. it might be that the friction you're experiencing at this point is a result of things like working with rotten code, them withholding the specific domain knowledge, etc. and what you take for your own incompetency in reality is someone else's mess dropped on your head.

Re: Ask HN: I am the dumbest person in the room. What should I do?

#173
You see this attitude on every tech answer board. Responses like: why the heck are you doing X, when you should be doing Y like me, I'm brilliant.... Since you've only been there for 4 months, stick it out, and deal with it as best you can.

I know this is going to sound ridiculous, but start going to the gym and build some muscle. This will build your confidence, and put your pencil neck co-workers on guard.

Re: Ask HN: I am the dumbest person in the room. What should I do?

#174
To give an idea I'll tell you what my employee had to bear with me:

1) He was a fresh out of college, and had no job for an year. He started working on Ruby on Rails for me. Every day, I'd make sure I let him know when he wasn't performing upto the mark, sometimes even going to extremes where I ended up making him cry. (I know it was bad on my part, and I apologized). 2) I did however make it a point never to tell him anything to solve his issues. If I thought/noticed that he isn't progressing, then I'd just drop a word or two, and leave it upto him to figure out that I have left him a hint. 3) I considered myself the worst senior to have, but today, due to him being hard working and the go-figure-yourself attitude I gave him, he is currently very successful at him current job, and is able to take on problems and come up with solutions by himself.

Coming to how is this relevant to you: Are you sure your colleagues are not giving you hints, or pushing you to find answers by yourself? Lending a hand is okay, but mostly I have seen that ending up creating a spoon feed me mentality.

On how to keep your dignity, I'd say there is no other way than to keep learning. If you are a software dev, attend hackathons/talks/etc, and keep yourself updated on the latest.

Rotten attitudes is not always the case, but sometimes the pressure to be the best pushes you to that side. It's important to remember where you started at to remain a human.

Re: Ask HN: I am the dumbest person in the room. What should I do?

#175
1. Actually it is better to be the dumbest person in the room, you can learn. It is another problem if you are the smartest person in the room. How do you get new input/ideas. Take it as an opportunity to learn. "It's better to annoy someone with questions than piss them off with incompetence". If you get a task assigned just take your time, don't try to compare yourself with them, they will work faster than you. If you make something make sure you understand everything and you should ask questions if something is not clear, fuck their attitude. Make something you can defend by understanding everything. Take your time to understand it. If you half ass something there won't be time to fix it later on. Try looking into being assertive.

2. No it is not normal, but if you work a little longer you standup for yourself and ask questions, they may expect the same from you.

3. The best people are the ones that are open for discussions and discover new ideas or views.

Re: Ask HN: I am the dumbest person in the room. What should I do?

#176
1. Actually it is better to be the dumbest person in the room, you can learn. It is another problem if you are the smartest person in the room. How do you get new input/ideas. Take it as an opportunity to learn. "It's better to annoy someone with questions than piss them off with incompetence". If you get a task assigned just take your time, don't try to compare yourself with them, they will work faster than you. If you make something make sure you understand everything and you should ask questions if something is not clear, fuck their attitude. Make something you can defend by understanding everything. Take your time to understand it. If you half ass something there won't be time to fix it later on. Try looking into being assertive.

2. No it is not normal, but if you work a little longer you standup for yourself and ask questions, they may expect the same from you.

3. The best people are the ones that are open for discussions and discover new ideas or views.

Re: Ask HN: I am the dumbest person in the room. What should I do?

#177
post #143

My rule of thumb is that I always try to be the dumbest person in the room. If I'm the smartest person in the room, I'm not learning. I want to surround myself with people that know more than I do about things I know little about. My advice: 1) Shut up and listen 2) Ask them respectfully and professionally for advice when you need it 3) Shut up and listen some more If you're an engineer, I also recommend the followin…

> 1) Shut up and listen I like that but many people get irritated and feel you're not proactive enough if you just occasionally ask questions.

still it's better to listen and try to understand everything instead of suggesting stupid solutions without deep understanding of problem. I've seen many cases when new dev joins company and instantly suggests some solutions to some problems without any knowledge of domain. Unless you are expert at that domain, you should do that "shut up and listen" in the beginning. OR raise respectful questions to get that knowledge of domain/programming skills.

Re: Ask HN: I am the dumbest person in the room. What should I do?

#178
Wow. It sounds like you are working for the same company I worked - for a very brief time. Is this a JavaScript shop by any chance? ;)

Regardless, you've been there four months; that's long enough to have made it work. It's toxic and abusive and you have to remove yourself from the situation ASAP. If you can afford to quit before finding another job, do so.

I do appreciate all the advice of how to make this work, and it's good advice in general, but bad advice for this situation. While the abuse may ease up after a while, the pecking order will remain the same and they will still be assholes. It's hard to learn through a bruised ego or a broken spirit.

On a side note, I have been the dumbest person in a company. I compensated by being the hardest working. The "smart ones" loved that I did the work while they did smart things.

Re: Ask HN: I am the dumbest person in the room. What should I do?

#179
Because I wrote "color", not "colour" to one of the comments in Android Resource directory, I got "USE PROPER ENGLISH" code review once, from a British guy who has 60K+ reputation in Stack Overflow, who was also the best Android Developer I've ever worked with.

I quit the job immediately, because you can't deal with those kind of people. It never works. However you can find great companies and people out there, the probability is higher than getting along with rotten engineers at least.

Re: Ask HN: I am the dumbest person in the room. What should I do?

#180
I agree with most of the comments made here. I've always been a C student and understand what it feels like to be the "least knowledgeable person" in the room.

You really shouldn't focus so much of your time and energy thinking about your co-workers. This company clearly has a bad culture and it shows.

It's a good thing that you realize your weaknesses. Take some time off to truly understand what is it that you want in your career. Focus on things you are actually good at, and then figure out how to intersect those things with your career interests. Good Luck :)

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