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What Happens When You Install the Top Download.com Apps

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Re: What Happens When You Install the Top Download.com Apps

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And this is why Apple created Gatekeeper and made the Mac OS X App Store so ridiculously onerous for developers[1]. The software world is, for all intents and purposes, a thin sheen of gold flecks and diamonds atop a veritable cesspool of shit. You can just imagine the conversation at 1 Infinite Loop: Marketer: The Panic guys are considering pulling out of the App Store. Maybe we should reconsider our App Store strat…

> and that it's our own fault Whose fault exactly is it? Has anybody in HN worked with a company which does this crapware bundling, let alone creating? Or does anybody know anyone who's "in the business"? Because I, quite honestly, can't understand how or why people would be doing this. Is it really that "Well, I know this shit is going to infect thousands of machines with software which nobody would like to have, bu…

> Whose fault exactly is it?

People who think that software should be free, as in beer.

Developers have to be paid. When people paid for software with dollars, this exchange was much more straightforward. But now people think that software should be free as in beer, which means it comes with ad software or "sponsored software" that in turns sells ads, or spies on everything you do, or something to pay the bills.

Re: What Happens When You Install the Top Download.com Apps

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A nice list. How long they're all around? I still can't shake the feeling that it's only a matter of time before Moloch gets to them and they'll start serving crapware like any others. I'd love to be wrong on that.

Ninite Co-Founder here. Our pro-version SAAS business model works great. Plus we started Ninite because junkware enraged us so much. It's just punching down at non-technical users. I'd kill the company before doing that. Anyway, we'll be around and junkware free until the world moves to platforms where everything's signed and sandboxed.

You do a great job, thanks.

Re: What Happens When You Install the Top Download.com Apps

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post #11

I regularly get called by people complaining that their computer no longer works. Pretty much every time it turns out that their machine is loaded with crapware. It amazes me how people just put up with random browser windows popping up and having to search via some random search engine that has been imposed on them. At the minute I just have to put up with spending a few hours removing the worst offenders and then r…

I find Conduit on so many computers I get called to touch.. and the person can't even recall their actions to how such things got there.

Re: What Happens When You Install the Top Download.com Apps

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post #160

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A nice list. How long they're all around? I still can't shake the feeling that it's only a matter of time before Moloch gets to them and they'll start serving crapware like any others. I'd love to be wrong on that.

Ninite Co-Founder here. Our pro-version SAAS business model works great. Plus we started Ninite because junkware enraged us so much. It's just punching down at non-technical users. I'd kill the company before doing that. Anyway, we'll be around and junkware free until the world moves to platforms where everything's signed and sandboxed.

Thank you for your reply. I'll definitely check out your product then.

Re: What Happens When You Install the Top Download.com Apps

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post #6

I had to install the DirectX user runtime recently and was pretty shocked to see Microsoft has loaded it up with lots of crapware. First when you click download from its page at http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=35 you're prompted to set MSN as your homepage, download the malicious software removal tool, and download IE11 (if you're on Windows). Then after you skip that you get the download and…

I stopped trusting Microsoft installers when Windows Update listed the Bing Desktop as a Critical Update.

I really would like to know when that happened.

Re: What Happens When You Install the Top Download.com Apps

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This is why I moved my mom to a Mac and then to Ubuntu in, IIRC, 2007. The last time I had to clean up her Windows machine, everything was so completely contaminated with all kinds of malware that I simply gave up. I backed up her most important data (customer data, proposals), cleaned it thoroughly (Office documents can be infected - thank you, Microsoft) and just moved her to a Mac I no longer used. When she starte…

My grandfather had the same problem, now with Ubuntu he is happy :-)

Re: What Happens When You Install the Top Download.com Apps

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post #113

Download.com is just the beginning of this crap. At least a lot of people now realise that download.com is shady. Google is just as bad as download.com, but people still think of Google as a reputable site. Even in this discussion people are recommending just googling the product name to find a download. Please don't tell people to do that. It's dangerous. If you type terms like 'firefox' into google search much of t…

At least the actual, genuine result is visible without scrolling. A few years Google were paying computer manufacturers to set a special version of Google with more prominent ads as their default search engine. The net result was that if you got a new computer and searched for Firefox using their default, Google-supplied search the genuine result was actually below the fold in some cases.

Can you back that up with a citation?

Re: What Happens When You Install the Top Download.com Apps

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post #84

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I can't find my InDesign icon... where have you put it?

So your parents use inDesign who needs hours of training and they can't avoid install crapware? Yeah, sure.

My wife.. she despises computers and only learns stuff that she absolutely has to, even then it is very reluctantly and is intensely stressful for everyone in her vicinity.

Re: What Happens When You Install the Top Download.com Apps

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post #14

Instead of dowloading from Sourceforge (loaded with ads and its own devious 'installer'), CNET, Download, etc, there are no-crapware alternatives that offer more management tools as well (remembering your list of apps across machines, automated updates, discoverability): Ninite: nice, simple, installer: just select apps and let the installer do it all for you. AllMyApps: all the apps, no crapware (at least for now).…

A nice list. How long they're all around? I still can't shake the feeling that it's only a matter of time before Moloch gets to them and they'll start serving crapware like any others. I'd love to be wrong on that.

I can't speak for the other two, but I believe Chocolatey is being integrated (or vice versa) with OneGet, the built-in package manager for Windows 10.

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/chocolatey/a8WdEoF-M...

Re: What Happens When You Install the Top Download.com Apps

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I agree that there is a lot of useless software, malware, and annoying bundling on download.com and in the Windows software ecosystem at large. But seriously, it's not hard to avoid installing a lot of bundled software. I'd be more interested in what happens when you install the Top Download.com Apps without the obviously bundled crap. And I'm certainly not interested in hearing complaints about what the programs do…

It's not hard for computer literate people. But there are plenty of people who would think that downloading something from a reputable site wouldn't screw up their computer.

The policy employed by these bloatware installers preys on these unknowing people and cripples their user experience. Criticizing this aspect is a valid 'bashing' of said ecosystem.

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