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Post by eru »

thesz wrote: post #134
frozenport wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> People just seem to prefer state controlled media or narratives that fit in with their biases Except when they don't. For example, it is not unreasonable to say that Putin lost the presidential elections in many regions (recall news stories where they showed 150% of the vote). Most importantly this 'perceived' popularity leads to people not turning out to vote, making it a self fulfilling prophecy. Indeed, the bas…

http://www.snopes.com/politics/ballot/2012fraud.asp Even one county with 100% votes for Obama is a sign of fraud. You are hooked on simple journalistic reporting mistake and this hook does not do good for you reasoning. To be clear, I think that Western people through all their hiatory enjoed a wast energy surplus. There were reports by early US settlers about buffalo herds that was to ride around in a day! The same…

By `energy', do you mean the same thing physicists mean?

If yes, Russia has lots of oil, and China (and anyone else) can just build nuclear power plants. Problem solved.

Re: Gmail blocked in China

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Post by invaliddata »

I have friends and family who are Chinese. Although it is not a universal ttuth, the fact is that many Chinese see the west only as something to be exploited, and do not wish to play by the same rules. This applies to individuals who have come here to work, not just the government or Chinese businessmen. The sentiment is that China was exploited inygr past, and now it is time for payback. One deals with China and Chinese without this backgroud at one's peril.

Re: Gmail blocked in China

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

kaptain wrote: post #44

The sentiment that access to Google services doesn't matter because there are sufficient Chinese replacements is absolutely wrong. The Chinese government is handicapping its tech labor development by blocking Google. I teach a basic web development workshop to university and vocational school students. One of the things we teach is how to look up things for youself on the internet. (Is that a cry of disbelief I hear?…

FYI, Bing is not blocked in China. That is all.

Re: Gmail blocked in China

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

invaliddata wrote: post #172

I have friends and family who are Chinese. Although it is not a universal ttuth, the fact is that many Chinese see the west only as something to be exploited, and do not wish to play by the same rules. This applies to individuals who have come here to work, not just the government or Chinese businessmen. The sentiment is that China was exploited inygr past, and now it is time for payback. One deals with China and Chi…

There is some of that, but it isn't "getting back." Its like going to Italy and getting ripped off as a tourist; there are plenty of people looking around for an opportunity for a quick buck on the gullible, Foreigner or Chinese. Then couple that with poor rule of law that make scams and unfair exploitation feasible, and you have China (as opposed to say Singapore, which is mostly Chinese but rule of law is strong and people are less hungry for a quick buck).

Re: Gmail blocked in China

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Post by mahyarm »

drzaiusapelord wrote: post #75

Not surprising considering the tricks they've been pulling of late. What can be said here? The people have chosen an autocratic government and often, without me even provoking them, will tell me how superior is is to western values, the same way Russians will also do. As an international traveler and sometimes international worker, this is fairly typical stuff. I see this kind of thing on VK and Facebook all the time…

For those russians, I think it's more the general trend that people think whatever country / culture they've grown up in is the best. The french think they are the best people, the british think they're the best deep down inside, chinese think they're the best, americans think they're better than everyone, and the canadians think they're better than the americans. The mexicans are proud to be mexican, the malaysians are proud to be malaysian and so on. Everyone thinks they are the best in some way, even if they think all of the gringos have a lot of cash and you can't breathe the air in beijing.

The middle class think they're better than the lower and upper class, and the lower class think they're better than the rest. SF thinks it's better than NYC and those finance wonks with our software industry, NYC thinks it better than the rest of the world, and DC thinks I'm the center of power here!

My city's sports team is the best sports team, and screw my city's rivals! Xbox vs Playstation, this vs that. Those scary islamic people vs. my secular atheism or mormonism.

It's the human tribalism instinct, and it's turtles all the way down.

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Post by melchebo »

edwinyzh wrote: post #162
epynonymous wrote: post #156

i didn't rtfa, but this is nothing new, i've been in shanghai since 2007, afaik, google services (including gmail) have been hard to access, it was really after eric schmidt put the assault on china by making things public (circa 2010) that things started to get to really bad. from memory, 50% of the time, google services (search, gmail, apis, compute engine, office apps, etc) would not work back in 2007, in 2010 pro…

Hi, maybe I ask what's "mpls", did a Google search but had no luck.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MPLS_VPN

Re: Gmail blocked in China

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Post by fan123199 »

Gmail blocked shocked me a lot. I was optimistic about the future of China's speech environment by new Chairman Xi's comming, but from he got the power, the condition is not changed, still bad, and even worse. The internet block is more aggressive and now the gmail is blocked. This is my baseline because email is very individual services. I think it's time to think about immigrating abroad.

Re: Gmail blocked in China

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Post by thesz »

eru wrote: post #171
thesz wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/ballot/2012fraud.asp Even one county with 100% votes for Obama is a sign of fraud. You are hooked on simple journalistic reporting mistake and this hook does not do good for you reasoning. To be clear, I think that Western people through all their hiatory enjoed a wast energy surplus. There were reports by early US settlers about buffalo herds that was to ride around in a day! The same…

By `energy', do you mean the same thing physicists mean? If yes, Russia has lots of oil, and China (and anyone else) can just build nuclear power plants. Problem solved.

Yes, the same thing.

Sun energy in heat form is accesible for everyone. Oil require substantial investment.

Also keep in mind that all this is historical and that even replacing all people in bureacratic machine will make the dame machine to rwappear. E.g., government of energy/resource constrained country will be prwtty much same as previous. Orherwise many people will die.

If you can evict a person to streets at SF, you cannot do so anywhere in Russia. Rhere's not enough sun light. In China it is the same, except evicted person cannot use land, it is occupied.

As a russian/chinese government official you have to behave differently. You either will punish strongly to prevent bad behavioe, or you will prevent bad behaviour by other means.

And remember, if by some magic you made into chinese govt, you will start to behave more or less same as as current one. Just because gpvt reproduce themselves in same circumstances and for same goals.

Re: Gmail blocked in China

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Post by lancewiggs »

Chronic30 wrote: post #123
bilbo0s wrote: post #97

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I think you understand different values to be important than a Chinese does. A Chinese may not care about open internet as much as you do. (Though even that is for different reasons than you outlined. ie-not so much because of 'decadent values' as much as because the average Chinese believes the West uses the internet and Western news media outlets to 'keep China down'. It's more for nationalistic reasons than for va…

Beijing routinely sends it's military to remote regions and kills thousands of people (usually Muslims) and it never hits the world news. Beijing also prevents information (as well as people) flowing from one part of the country to another, both physically and digitally, to prevent outbreaks (typically against the government). These are just two examples. Please tell me how Beijing is alleviating oppression.

The dramatic lowering of the number of people living in poverty in China is one of the world's greatest recent achievements. The rise of China has delivered a lot to the world, and even more to China. It's not without problems, but those in turn are solveable in time.

Re: Gmail blocked in China

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Post by dongchongyubing »

chingjun wrote: post #108
edwinyzh wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hah! I didn't know that since I don't use Python, but I agree with the speculation of that blocking!

When PHP announced that they will skip PHP6, we joked that it is a smart move to avoid PHP version 6.4

That's much too hilarious
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