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Re: Keurig 2.0 DRM Bypass

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Post by thrownaway2424 »

xenophonf wrote: post #127
jdhawk wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The second reason they've gained massive popularity is that people all want different shit. "But I want Hot Tea" "But I want vanilla frappa-bullshit" "But I want Hot Cocoa" "Your coffee is too strong" "Your coffee is too weak" It's the expensive convenient machine that shuts everyone the fuck up. What's the price on that?

That's precisely why we own one. My wife and I not arguing every morning over who made the coffee and how is well worth the price we pay in K-cups.

Honestly nobody should get married to someone with incompatible preferences regarding coffee ;-) This is also the beauty of the aeropress or paper cone method: you make your own coffee, everyone else can make theirs or not. And when I make the french press too strong, I'm happy to drink the whole thing myself!

Re: Keurig 2.0 DRM Bypass

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Post by [deleted] »

jack-r-abbit wrote: post #169
shutupalready wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I applaud the fact that they don't seem worried about the Digital Millennium Copyright Act that makes it illegal to create devices that bypass DRM. DMCA is supposed to apply only to protecting copyrighted works, but prosecutors and lawyers in general try to extend the laws in all sort of crafty ways, and usually companies are too fearful to try anything proactive.

That depends. Does Keurig even consider this to be DRM and protected under the DMCA? Or is that just what we call it because that is what we talk about on HN.

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Re: Keurig 2.0 DRM Bypass

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Post by comex »

jack-r-abbit wrote: post #169
shutupalready wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I applaud the fact that they don't seem worried about the Digital Millennium Copyright Act that makes it illegal to create devices that bypass DRM. DMCA is supposed to apply only to protecting copyrighted works, but prosecutors and lawyers in general try to extend the laws in all sort of crafty ways, and usually companies are too fearful to try anything proactive.

That depends. Does Keurig even consider this to be DRM and protected under the DMCA? Or is that just what we call it because that is what we talk about on HN.

The relevant clauses in the DMCA read:

"No person shall circumvent a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work protected under this title."

"[..] is primarily designed or produced for the purpose of circumventing protection afforded by a technological measure that effectively protects a right of a copyright owner under this title in a work or a portion thereof"

Just about any software DRM exists to protect some kind of copyright. In this case, however, I don't think the Keurig authenticity check controls access to any copyrighted work (not even a trivial one like a logo or small program), so it wouldn't count.

Re: Keurig 2.0 DRM Bypass

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Post by brandonmenc »

hw wrote: post #151

Anyone else waiting for the Arist? https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/236195807/arist-brews-c... I have a feeling if it's successful, it's going to give Keurig some headaches.

Why?

The Arist makes espresso drinks and will cost at least $400 whereas the Keurig costs less than $150 and makes drip coffee.

The Arist looks great, but there is probably very little crossover between the two sets of customers.

Re: Keurig 2.0 DRM Bypass

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Post by q3k »

hw wrote: post #151

Anyone else waiting for the Arist? https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/236195807/arist-brews-c... I have a feeling if it's successful, it's going to give Keurig some headaches.

There's no way they'll be able to fit so many features at in a $300 product.

There's already a pretty competitive bean-to-cup coffee machine market, and $300 price point usually gets you a machine that grinds, brews, dispenses and sometimes froths - very poorly, and requires maintenance.

Heck, even a good, “real” espresso machine and grinder (like a Rancilio Silvia and Bartza Vario, entry level coffee geek favourites) combo will set you back around $1k.

It's a pipe dream.

Re: Keurig 2.0 DRM Bypass

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Post by jack-r-abbit »

comex wrote: post #173
jack-r-abbit wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That depends. Does Keurig even consider this to be DRM and protected under the DMCA? Or is that just what we call it because that is what we talk about on HN.

The relevant clauses in the DMCA read: "No person shall circumvent a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work protected under this title." "[..] is primarily designed or produced for the purpose of circumventing protection afforded by a technological measure that effectively protects a right of a copyright owner under this title in a work or a portion thereof" Just about any software DRM exist…

That was my thinking too. I don't think this K2.0 scheme really fits into the typical DRM scenarios. I'm trying to compare the main components of this set up and other DRM set ups. I can't quite make them match up logically. But something just doesn't add up for me.

Re: Keurig 2.0 DRM Bypass

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Post by sschueller »

nickbauman wrote: post #19

I have owned two Nespresso machines. They were both great for about 8 months. Then no matter how much I 'cleansed' them they made terrible tasting coffee. You can never get the insides completely clean. I suspect the Keurig has a similar problem. I'm now back to my ceramic filter cone (one-time $20 cost) and the coffee has never tasted better.

Did you use the Nespresso cleaning kit and then run the entire water tank through the machine twice without capsules?

I have many Nespresso machines and never had a problem with degrading taste. Usually something else breaks like the milk frother on the Lattissima.

Re: Keurig 2.0 DRM Bypass

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Post by Malician »

jdhawk wrote: post #78
fishtoaster wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For the price of a good fine colander, you could buy a $15 Mr. Coffee and automate much of this. People buying keurig machines aren't doing it because they don't know how to make coffee or think it's better tasting- they're doing it for the speed (30-60 seconds) and the convenience.

The second reason they've gained massive popularity is that people all want different shit. "But I want Hot Tea" "But I want vanilla frappa-bullshit" "But I want Hot Cocoa" "Your coffee is too strong" "Your coffee is too weak" It's the expensive convenient machine that shuts everyone the fuck up. What's the price on that?

I can drink virtually anything except keurig coffee. It has a really weird taste that I've never had before except from instant coffee.

Re: Keurig 2.0 DRM Bypass

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Post by [deleted] »

guelo wrote: post #98
14113 wrote: post #68

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As someone who owns (and regularly uses) an aeropress, may I ask why? Simply out of of curiosity, not out of disagreement.

Leaching chemicals. Here's an article I found after a quick google search, http://myplasticfreelife.com/2011/04/bpa-free-does-not-mean-... It doesn't mention heat, but I presume leaching increases with heat.

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