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Re: Ask HN: Founders whose startups have failed, where did life take you afterwards?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is these lessons are, for the most part, already out there. Unfortunately, some things you just have to go through to really learn. All of the mistakes I made were ones I read about. It just took me a while to recognize that my mistakes were the same as the ones I read about. That said, if somebody did start that blog I would definitely read it.

Yeah, this was the biggest surprise for me in founding my own startup. I had worked for two previous startups to learn what to do and what not to do, and went into my own startup with a whole laundry list of pitfalls to avoid. It turns out that I ended up committing almost every one of them (except the ones that were management-related, and those only because we never got big enough to employ people. I think that whe…

> The nice thing about having knowledge and experience is that oftentimes it shortens the time required to realize you're making a mistake.

Great point.

Btw. seems the site you're linking to in your profile isn't working :)

Re: Ask HN: Founders whose startups have failed, where did life take you afterwards?

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During the past 10 years I tried launching startups a few times, failed most of the times within 6-12 months. After each failure I spent 3-6 months trying some more relaxing things (public speaking, dancing, standup comedy), and then got back to doing startups again and again. Right now I'm quite tired of all that, but fortunately the past micro-startup & investments brought in around $300k which would be enough to l…

In what universe is stand-up comedy relaxing??? My god I would be nervous.

Like snowboarding or extreme sports. It's a different kind of stress - short bursts. Compared to all-encompassing never ending kind of consistent stress when doing startups.

Re: Ask HN: Founders whose startups have failed, where did life take you afterwards?

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I spent 2.5 years at a startup and did some of that time working purely for equity. I'm not sure if I count as a "founder", as it was unclear where the founder/employee distinction was, and I'd say that I was probably Employee #1 or #2 rather than "a founder". The truth? Ugh. The pitch is that, even if you fail, you'll learn a ton and be slotted into a much more senior role in your next job. The reality? Yes, you do…

>>I consider this pretty dangerous, because there's nothing worse than gaining 2-3 levels in ability, but having to linger at a low level because your startup's failure (which may or may not have been your fault; in my case, it wasn't) invalidates the experience completely. You might fare better, psychologically, if you don't go through the startup and gain levels of experience that you won't be permitted to use in t…

This is probably the most salient point in michaelochurch's reply.

You can always get a job after a startup, but whether you will feel happy and satisfied in that job is a much more difficult question.

Re: Ask HN: Founders whose startups have failed, where did life take you afterwards?

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http://diffle-history.blogspot.com/2008/12/aftermath.html Spent 5+ years at Google after that, worked on a bunch of cool projects, finessed my technical skills, learned how to push through difficult projects until completion, rebuilt my confidence, and recently left to try again. We'll see how it works out this time.

Did you notice that your blog is full of SEO-spam comments?

Re: Ask HN: Founders whose startups have failed, where did life take you afterwards?

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http://diffle-history.blogspot.com/2008/12/aftermath.html Spent 5+ years at Google after that, worked on a bunch of cool projects, finessed my technical skills, learned how to push through difficult projects until completion, rebuilt my confidence, and recently left to try again. We'll see how it works out this time.

Did you notice that your blog is full of SEO-spam comments?

Nope, I didn't. Thanks, I'll delete them next time I bother logging into blogger (I haven't in like 5 years). You'd think that spammers would realize that Blogger uses rel=nofollow and so they get zero Google-juice from this, but I guess not.

Re: Ask HN: Founders whose startups have failed, where did life take you afterwards?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Internet is generally slower, there is no 4G yet. Wifi is actually pretty common it seems, but I'm in a fairly popular part of Patagonia right now (San Martin de Los Andes and Bariloche). Tomorrow I'm driving South towards a town called El Chaltén, where there is apparently NO cell coverage, because the people who live there don't want it. I'll have to depend on Wifi 100% there. Aside from Internet coverage, Patagoni…

Are you climbing?? You're right in the thick of it.

Now I'm in Calafate (glaciers). I didn't do any proper climbing on this trip, but I did a bunch of hiking. Doing a glacier hike tomorrow too!

Re: Ask HN: Founders whose startups have failed, where did life take you afterwards?

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I have failed (about 50k people saw how I failed and what I learned here: http://www.sergioschuler.com/startup-lessons-learned-from-my...) and now I work for a pretty normal company, as their digital marketing head (not as impressive as it sounds, but I enjoy it).

I am building something very simple on the side (libertarian tshirts, since the idea is growing here in Brazil) and I still crave to solve problems.

Re: Ask HN: Founders whose startups have failed, where did life take you afterwards?

#178
Variant 1:

A friend and I were out of jobs and eager to test an idea we had about local real estate which had the potential to scale. I raised 25k in seed money from family.

That person was more biz/sales oriented and we hired one of our other friend who had experience building software. Both of them became lazy and uninterested after a few months and quit as soon as we ran out of money.

I worked at it for almost a year, alone with a part time admin assistant.

Managed to pay back the seed money and "live through" that year but ended up very tired and still broke.

Variant 2:

One day I get a call from a MBA in a similar industry and he was very excited about the model. I was tired, broke and felt lonely, I easily got convinced to re-launch under a new name for a broader market. (original was in french)

Created a whole new business, new name, new website, new everything. With the technical side mostly handled by me. 3 months in just as we were about to launch the new partner starts arguing all the time and suddently didn't trust me. We were not even putting our new version in front of clients yet and he was panicking.

He forced a shut down of the business. It was the second time I was building this model - was still broke and exhausted.

Variant 3:

I felt relived and thought I'd go work a day job for a little while. Then 3 days later I'm sitting with one of the client of the first business and for him it made such a difference that he trying to convince me to try again and offered 100k in investment.

Worked my ass off again for launch #3 - except this one I was aiming for the stars and had 100k in bank. Made a huge mistake in hiring technical talent, took us months to get a shitty product out. Made a huge mistake in hiring admin talent, burnt through 15k until we had to stop working with that person. And worst, 6 months in, as we're trying to hit it really hard we realize that the real estate markets we were after slowed down dramatically (40%-50% drop in sales)

So we ran a test campaign and indeed, it confirmed a huge drop.

I had to cut on every aspects of the business, let go of hires, go back to the plan and do a lot of thinking. We managed to survive a few months but it was extremely hard to get money out of clients because they knew the market was down and felt like they would waste money by investing in our platform in such a downturn.

We had to pivot our business model and our client approach multiple times in the last 3 months. Which in retrospective brought me tremendous knowledge and made us try new innovative tactics to help my clients and show them that we could be trusted.

Slowly but surely we've started to generate revenue and I'm proud to say that in the last few weeks we've actually hit our target, we're no longer digging ourselves in a hole.

I'm now still completely broke but at least I can pay our team every week and I know that it's not just money that we borrowed but money that we earned and I'm confident in our new way of doing things.

Reiteration works. It will get through anything, look at water. And so will I.

Re: Ask HN: Founders whose startups have failed, where did life take you afterwards?

#179

Variant 1: A friend and I were out of jobs and eager to test an idea we had about local real estate which had the potential to scale. I raised 25k in seed money from family. That person was more biz/sales oriented and we hired one of our other friend who had experience building software. Both of them became lazy and uninterested after a few months and quit as soon as we ran out of money. I worked at it for almost a y…

Thank you for sharing...way to be persistent and not give up! Hate when I see founders seemingly giving up too early because they don't see the instant success/traction of the lucky few.

On another note, I wanted to ask about the admin/personal assistants. Why were these roles necessary at this stage in the company? Asking because I'm seeing more of this, but even with the funding I've raised it's still a hire I don't feel like I can justify.

Thanks!

Re: Ask HN: Founders whose startups have failed, where did life take you afterwards?

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post #15

During the past 10 years I tried launching startups a few times, failed most of the times within 6-12 months. After each failure I spent 3-6 months trying some more relaxing things (public speaking, dancing, standup comedy), and then got back to doing startups again and again. Right now I'm quite tired of all that, but fortunately the past micro-startup & investments brought in around $300k which would be enough to l…

Wow, honestly i want a similar life just like you.
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