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OS X 10.10 Yosemite: The Ars Technica Review

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Re: OS X 10.10 Yosemite: The Ars Technica Review

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Post by acdha »

smt88 wrote: post #159
acdha wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> FYI, there are OS distributions that do not crash. Yes, I have heard that LepriconSoft's UnicornOS runs quite well on the Hypothetica-9000 processor but everything else has the same real-world problems with faulty hardware and drivers. You might have a stable setup but that's also true of well over 99% of Mac users – they just also don't tend to go on forums and say “Yeap, everything's still fine here!”.

I'd say LepriconSoft's UnicornOS is actually Windows 8.1, as strange/infuriating as that's going to sound to many HN readers. I used Xubuntu or Fedora (dev), Windows 7 (Office), and OS X (XCode) for hours every day for years. I had two self-built machines running Linux, a laptop and a self-built machine running Win 7, and OS X running on a Mac Mini and later a MBA. Since then, I've also had another desktop and a lapt…

Windows 7+ does seem to be quite stable – Microsoft has obviously put in time improving the OS to be more resilient and, more importantly, pressuring vendors to write better drivers.

That said, in my experience that means it's caught up with OS X. I've had maybe one kernel panic in years and that was caused by a VMware driver bug. This has been true for most people I know.

The only people I know who have problems are either the ones who install a ton of low-level extensions (Windows or Mac) or a couple of Linux laptop users faced with the option of either having really slow GL performance or using indifferently maintained binary blob drivers.

Re: OS X 10.10 Yosemite: The Ars Technica Review

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Post by nrinaudo »

nanook wrote: post #166
nrinaudo wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A little bit of both: my warrantee had long expired, but there was an extension for this very specific issue, since I believe it affects 100% of macbook pros from that series. I've looked into this a bit more and it looks like my comment is entirely unhelpful: mine is a mid-2010 MBP, so while our issues look similar, they probably are not. Sorry about that, I should have checked before.

I think I have the exact same problem with my 2010 MBP. How long ago did you get it replaced?

If it's indeed the same issue, I think you're out of luck, at least for the free part. Here's the Apple ticket about it: http://support.apple.com/kb/TS4088

This explicitly states that your warrantee for this very specific issue is extended to 3 years after date of purchase. I doubt you purchased a 2010 MBP in 2012...

Still, if this looks like what you're experiencing, get a genius bar appointment. It's free, and they have an automated diagnostic system that detects this specific issue (and others). If it's the same one, you might be able to talk yourself into a free replacement.

Re: OS X 10.10 Yosemite: The Ars Technica Review

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Post by JonnieCache »

Kluny wrote: post #71
radicalbyte wrote: post #12

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I'm not the OP, but my (new) MBP crashes twice a month when surfing or coding (Sublime, Typescript, Node). It crashes daily if I use Parallels and regularly when using Spotify.

For what it's worth, I've seen Sublime mentioned in relation to crashes a couple times now.

That's just because people here are using it 8 hours a day.

Re: OS X 10.10 Yosemite: The Ars Technica Review

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Post by acdha »

guardian5x wrote: post #141
acdha wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> FYI, there are OS distributions that do not crash. Yes, I have heard that LepriconSoft's UnicornOS runs quite well on the Hypothetica-9000 processor but everything else has the same real-world problems with faulty hardware and drivers. You might have a stable setup but that's also true of well over 99% of Mac users – they just also don't tend to go on forums and say “Yeap, everything's still fine here!”.

Serious Question: I know that since Vista, Windows can handle graphics driver and sound card driver crashes by restarting the driver.[1] That often leads to the program to crash too, if its using 3d graphics for example, but it does not require a restart of the whole system. Does Mac OS have something similar too? [1] http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/images/device/wddm_timeout.gif

I don't believe so but since neither has crashed for me in years I haven't looked into it. You definitely can restart Bluetooth, which I've needed to do a handful of times when playing audio.

Re: OS X 10.10 Yosemite: The Ars Technica Review

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Post by dzhiurgis »

smutticus wrote: post #6

None of these reiews answer the one question I always want answered; will this cause my MBP to crash more often than 10.8.5? I have all the features I need, I want fewer GPU panics. I know these reviewers cannot answer this question, I just want to point out that it's the only relevant question for me. Given Apple's track record, this release will most likely cause my MBP to crash more often, but I want data on that.…

It's humiliating to admit, but my rMBP crashes so much more often than cheapest Dell desktop with Windows 7 at work. Actually I doubt that it ever crashed.

Some of the issues were resolved by removing Soundflower as it was conflicting with VLC. But they still do happen.

Re: OS X 10.10 Yosemite: The Ars Technica Review

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Post by [deleted] »

dzhiurgis wrote: post #175
smutticus wrote: post #6

None of these reiews answer the one question I always want answered; will this cause my MBP to crash more often than 10.8.5? I have all the features I need, I want fewer GPU panics. I know these reviewers cannot answer this question, I just want to point out that it's the only relevant question for me. Given Apple's track record, this release will most likely cause my MBP to crash more often, but I want data on that.…

It's humiliating to admit, but my rMBP crashes so much more often than cheapest Dell desktop with Windows 7 at work. Actually I doubt that it ever crashed. Some of the issues were resolved by removing Soundflower as it was conflicting with VLC. But they still do happen.

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Re: OS X 10.10 Yosemite: The Ars Technica Review

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Post by DonHopkins »

nknighthb wrote: post #120
zachrose wrote: post #115

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I used to have the same question, but having a remote tmux session that persists forever has turned out to be awesome.

A remote session doesn't help when you're trying to run commands on your local system.

I helps me, because I always fat-finger Command-W close tab instead of Alt-W copy region to selection in Emacs, and it closes my tab. I can get it back when I run Emacs under screen!

Re: OS X 10.10 Yosemite: The Ars Technica Review

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Post by ChikkaChiChi »

Cymen wrote: post #142
smutticus wrote: post #6

None of these reiews answer the one question I always want answered; will this cause my MBP to crash more often than 10.8.5? I have all the features I need, I want fewer GPU panics. I know these reviewers cannot answer this question, I just want to point out that it's the only relevant question for me. Given Apple's track record, this release will most likely cause my MBP to crash more often, but I want data on that.…

The only way I can keep my MBP retina happy when using it with an external Thunderbolt display is: 1) before plugging into display, open lid and wait for login screen to appear 2) before unplugging display, open lid and wait for laptop screen to turn on (normally I keep my laptop closed when connected to the display) If I deviate from this the laptop crashes or goes into some odd state.

I've had this same problem on more than one Macbook at work.

Re: OS X 10.10 Yosemite: The Ars Technica Review

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Post by bbulkow »

smutticus wrote: post #6

None of these reiews answer the one question I always want answered; will this cause my MBP to crash more often than 10.8.5? I have all the features I need, I want fewer GPU panics. I know these reviewers cannot answer this question, I just want to point out that it's the only relevant question for me. Given Apple's track record, this release will most likely cause my MBP to crash more often, but I want data on that.…

I have a mid-2012 rMBP. I had terrible crashing problems - twice a day. Worse than any PC I ever had.

I had to take it in. And pay $550. Even though it's clearly a common problem, if not a design problem, something similar. Go check out the big apple support log on the problem.

I lost two weeks of productivity, because they failed to fix it the first time (it got worse).

If you have GPU panics, and you don't get your hardware fixed, you get what you deserve. Sorry for that. It's hard to get to a repair center or genius place? Sorry for that too.

Nothing to do with 10.10.

I've installed 10.10. It's running nicely.

What should you expect? Look through Ars' list. The changes are updates to the on-board apps - none of which I use (message center? no. Mail? no. etc). There are additional internal APIs for IOS tooling - good for the long term, nothing for now.

Mavericks was an important release. It treats multiple screens in a sensible way - finally addressing a weakness inherent in macs since '85. There has always been the Special Screen with real estate taken by the menu bar, no matter how many screens you have, you drag the cursor back to that screen over and over.

10.10 is not Mavericks.

In 10.10, you'll see some newer, cleaner fonts and icons, that's it.

Re: OS X 10.10 Yosemite: The Ars Technica Review

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Post by circa »

smutticus wrote: post #6

None of these reiews answer the one question I always want answered; will this cause my MBP to crash more often than 10.8.5? I have all the features I need, I want fewer GPU panics. I know these reviewers cannot answer this question, I just want to point out that it's the only relevant question for me. Given Apple's track record, this release will most likely cause my MBP to crash more often, but I want data on that.…

I installed it on my iMac 27" from 2009. It does not boot now and goes into a panic. I haven't had much time to mess with it but there are no other partitions and it just does not load.

Its also weird because I have no media now. I have the discs it came with somewhere but that will also be Lion 10.7? Or possibly Snow Leopard. The re-install is going to be a bitch for me. UGH!

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