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Volvo’s first self-driving cars now being tested live on public roads in Sweden

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Re: Volvo’s first self-driving cars now being tested live on public roads in Sweden

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Very interested in this space and how it will end up. We have a big emotional attachment to cars evidenced by the fact that the annual cost of taking taxis everywhere is probably cheaper than the annual costs of owning a car if you live in a city. NYC habitants have probably made this transition already. SO if we end up with self driving taxis then this form of transport will become ridiculously cheap as the driver's…

    > We have a big emotional attachment to cars evidenced by
    > the fact that the annual cost of taking taxis everywhere 
    > is probably cheaper than the annual costs of owning a
    > car if you live in a city
I don't think that's true of most cities. Definitely not true of London.

Re: Volvo’s first self-driving cars now being tested live on public roads in Sweden

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I own a 2013 XC60 and as a programmer, I'm amazed at how well their current automation works in practice. The car reads road signs to show me the current speed limit in the dash (actual OCR, not a GPS database). It works amazingly well, except when it's very dark in the winter. Adaptive cruise control flawlessly follows cars based on radar, even in somewhat dramatic full stops, e.g. when there's suddenly heavy traffi…

1. just curious, this is is sweeden, right ? 2. city driving/ highway ?

Re: Volvo’s first self-driving cars now being tested live on public roads in Sweden

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post #35

I own a 2013 XC60 and as a programmer, I'm amazed at how well their current automation works in practice. The car reads road signs to show me the current speed limit in the dash (actual OCR, not a GPS database). It works amazingly well, except when it's very dark in the winter. Adaptive cruise control flawlessly follows cars based on radar, even in somewhat dramatic full stops, e.g. when there's suddenly heavy traffi…

My gut feeling tells me that there should be a mandate that requires all safety software to be open-source and liberally licensed. Safety should be very much part of the commons and we all lose out when this type of software isn't shared freely. Building high quality safety software and sharing it with all car manufacturers wins way more brownie points in my book than using it as a selling point.

I agree 100% however I think this is probably unlikely to happen. Being safer than another brand makes for great marketing copy and Volvo has been able to rely on that for a very long time. Openly sharing their edge with their competitors doesn't sound like "smart" business. Having said that, they did share their seatbelt design once so maybe....

Re: Volvo’s first self-driving cars now being tested live on public roads in Sweden

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A self-driving car hardly has to be only self-driving.

Eventually for cities like Beijing to optimize congested transportation infrastructure, it would have to be.

Sure, but that's not going to happen until the sensors can work in the rain (and smog).

Re: Volvo’s first self-driving cars now being tested live on public roads in Sweden

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I biked through one yesterday, in Trollhättan. If you do an image search for "flervägsstopp" you'll find several images, including this one which is specifically a four-way stop: http://www.trafikmagasinet.nu/art090503.htm . If you're more curious, see http://www.trafikverket.se/PageFiles/3038/komplett_slutrappo... , among others. That one talks about how they were tested out during the 1980s, and by 2007 there were…

We have a lot of them in Trollhättan. And roundabouts, holy shit the amount of roundabouts in this city.

Hej! Another Trollhättebo! Yeah, I actually passed a couple on my ride, though I only mentioned one. As an American my baseline is the number of 4-way stops in the US. I've only lived in Gothenburg and here, which gives a poor sampling bias.

Re: Volvo’s first self-driving cars now being tested live on public roads in Sweden

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If you dislike automatic transition I guess you'll not like self driving cars.

I was quite a fan of the manual transmission, but I got an automatic car for the first time now (Mercedes A-class), and it's just so good at shifting that I never even consider it any more. I think of the transmission as another part of the driving experience to automate away now, like turning lights and parking brakes on and off.

How would you automate turning lights?

They are pretty useless if they only fire when the car is already turning. The whole point of them is to give a warning prior to turning.

Re: Volvo’s first self-driving cars now being tested live on public roads in Sweden

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I was quite a fan of the manual transmission, but I got an automatic car for the first time now (Mercedes A-class), and it's just so good at shifting that I never even consider it any more. I think of the transmission as another part of the driving experience to automate away now, like turning lights and parking brakes on and off.

How would you automate turning lights? They are pretty useless if they only fire when the car is already turning. The whole point of them is to give a warning prior to turning.

Sorry, it was "turning lights (on and off)", I meant the headlights.

Re: Volvo’s first self-driving cars now being tested live on public roads in Sweden

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I was quite a fan of the manual transmission, but I got an automatic car for the first time now (Mercedes A-class), and it's just so good at shifting that I never even consider it any more. I think of the transmission as another part of the driving experience to automate away now, like turning lights and parking brakes on and off.

Unfortunately you'll also be automating away an element of driving that many people consider fun.

It still has paddles, so you can manually shift. Sure, if you don't like it, it takes away the element of fun, but a few minutes of fun isn't worth the hours of manual-shifting drudgery during rush-hour traffic for me.

Re: Volvo’s first self-driving cars now being tested live on public roads in Sweden

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post #172
post #35

I own a 2013 XC60 and as a programmer, I'm amazed at how well their current automation works in practice. The car reads road signs to show me the current speed limit in the dash (actual OCR, not a GPS database). It works amazingly well, except when it's very dark in the winter. Adaptive cruise control flawlessly follows cars based on radar, even in somewhat dramatic full stops, e.g. when there's suddenly heavy traffi…

1. just curious, this is is sweeden, right ? 2. city driving/ highway ?

Norway :) The road sign reading works well anywhere. Adaptive cruise control works best on highways - it's cruise control, after all. When doing a 90 degree turn, for example, it doesn't "know" what's happening. It works well for slow traffic though, and can do full stops and automatically start driving again when traffic is really slow.

Re: Volvo’s first self-driving cars now being tested live on public roads in Sweden

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Currently, 'recuding accidents' are the primary driver for speed regulations (at least in Europe) There are a lot of other variables to optimize for, both on individual basis (fuel, travel time, battery life, ...) and collective basis (congestion locallity, total time lost in congestion, emissions, ...) I guess legislatures - over time - will try to optimize some variables for 'the greater good' instead of minimizing…

do you mean reducing accidents (is the primary driver..), or are "recuding accident" a category of accidents?

err, downvotes are ok, but I actually don't know the answer to this so it would be nice to also receive a reply.

It's sad that asking questions is considered bad.

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