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Re: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS (Trusty Tahr) Final Beta released

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I already moved all my servers to Debian, have not decided when I should do the same on the Desktop side yet, I don't really care about games/MIR/smart-UI-decision-made-for-me/one-GUI-does-all-screens etc, all I need is vim and a browser, with newer tested packages installed underneath for development.

I was using Arch as my laptop OS for a couple years until just recently switching to Ubuntu Server 14.04. Since I use i3 it still seems like the same environment. The reason I switched is because I'm developing solely on Ubuntu Server 12.04, and it's less work to get things working once instead of twice.

Is there any advantage to using Debian over Ubuntu for servers and/or development?

Re: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS (Trusty Tahr) Final Beta released

#172
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Why would you use Ubuntu if you think Unity is ridiculous? That's like getting a Mac and saying that Apple should drop OS X. It's very clear that Unity isn't for everyone, but I don't understand why people who know it's not for them seem to still want to use Ubuntu.

Because like many others (including me) he used Ubuntu for years until unity came along?

As far as I know, Lubuntu/Xubuntu/Ubuntu GNOME are just plain old Ubuntu with a different set of default packages for the desktop environment, they can use the same PPAs.

(FWIW I use Ubuntu GNOME as my default desktop distribution)

Re: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS (Trusty Tahr) Final Beta released

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It is not really often I need a newer package than what is available, I can only think of Beanstalk because if this issue. I am not really that used to build my own packages, but it is something I want to learn. And I didn't know that I could download from another version, I will look into it, thanks ! :)

apt-get build-dep beanstalkd apt-get source beanstalkd # or in your case, download the newer source-package cd ./beanstalkd-1.x.x dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -us -uc This should do the trick. There are a lot of variations regarding the last line. Just google for Debian packaging or Ubuntu packaging tutorials. It really works well for minor changes. If you need to deploy it to several machines it's also possible to a…

And it's an unbelievable pain in the ass when they change packaging styles, and the new src packages aren't compatible with the older build tools. IIRC, that happened between 10.04 and 12.04.

Re: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS (Trusty Tahr) Final Beta released

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I am on 13.10 with xmonad but will try to move to 14.04 LTS with Unity. This will happen as soon as I finish my Ansible playbook to get all my current Ubuntu tweaks and dev env setup implemented so I have a repeatable setup and can safely do a fresh install of my desktop as needed with zero manual work. Dotfiles alone didn't cut it and VPS provisioning frameworks like Ansible are great examples how desktops could be…

I've wanted to be able to automate setting up a new Linux desktop on a new laptop for a long time. It's a drag setting up a new box, it takes nearly a month to get everything tweaked right after I switch to a new distro (which is far more often that I should be responsibly doing it). I've been thinking about setting up an Ansible script, I've never used it before though. How would this work on a new machine? Is it so…

I'm not sure Ansible would be very useful for the use-case of "getting your desktop right". Generally there's three things that is needed to get a (personal) dekstop set up:

1) Get the right packages (eg: dpkg --get-selections > my-pacakges.list; dpkg --set-selections 2) Set up your account (This can be done with kicstart, FAI or preseed.cfg) If you only have one user, this might not be worth automating. This is also a task ansible can handle fine.

3) Set up your preferences/restore your home folder etc.

This is the area that tends to take the most time and care.

Personally I've pretty much stabilized on a very spartan xmonad config (driven from ~/.xsession), and have a mercurial repo with various dot-files that I just clone and symlink to (and I have a bash-script that takes care of setting up the symlinks) -- I also manually set up a python virtualenv (which bin I add to my path), an ~/opt hierarchy managed by xstow (I usually recreate this, as the whole point is to follow upstream, unpackaged software) and a ~/bin folder that's also in a mercurial repo (a few shell scripts for toggling vga/internal displays for my laptop and some similar small utilities).

Now, "manually" symlinking your dot-files probably isn't the best idea -- the main reason I do it this way, is that I've had to manage my profile across different distributions (and for a time also on Solaris) -- and then just keeping home in version control can be a little to simplistic (now with mercurial/git I suppose using named branches for the various machines might be a viable option though -- not sure if I want a check-out command in my .bashrc/.xsession though -- too much can go wrong... eg if git/mercurial for some reason isn't available won't run without errors...).

Re: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS (Trusty Tahr) Final Beta released

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post #164
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> I like to install Ubuntu and the first thing I do is get rid of Unity. If you do that, why not start from one of Xubuntu or Lubuntu instead?

Because I would just uninstall those window managers and install i3. For me, i3 is just so vastly superior to the others, there is no reason to use anything else right now.

I follow your practice, except I use dwm. The interesting extra feature that i3 seems to have is the IPC: I was curious if you've ever found a use for this.

Re: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS (Trusty Tahr) Final Beta released

#176
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I'm using 12.04 LTS quite extensively. For folk in a similar situation, how long are you thinking of waiting before switching to 14.04 LTS?

Our organization is currently running on Ubuntu 10.04, which is reaching end-of-support next year, so I've begun a push to move to 14.04. All of our server installations are entirely automated so a lot of it will just be porting over the preseed variables to the installer, answering any new questions, and possibly moving to newer versions of some of our dependent software (a lot of which is equally out of date).

Re: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS (Trusty Tahr) Final Beta released

#177
Desktop oriented end user here: Does anyone else use the mnemonic shortcuts, e.g. ALT-F-A for Save As... and in LibreOffice Alt-I-O-F to pop a mathematical formula into a document?

Broken completely in 13.04 and 13.10 and somewhat broken in 14.04 (Alt-F opens File menu but any attempt at a second note in the chord opens a different top level menu).

Otherwise sensible changes, menus on window bars makes sense on larger monitors and shrinking sidebar very nice on a 1280 by 800 screen. Very snappy from live image on a Core Duo 2 laptop with Intel graphics (Thinkpad X200s). Good for demonstration of Linux!

Re: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS (Trusty Tahr) Final Beta released

#178
post #144

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apt-get build-dep beanstalkd apt-get source beanstalkd # or in your case, download the newer source-package cd ./beanstalkd-1.x.x dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -us -uc This should do the trick. There are a lot of variations regarding the last line. Just google for Debian packaging or Ubuntu packaging tutorials. It really works well for minor changes. If you need to deploy it to several machines it's also possible to a…

And it's an unbelievable pain in the ass when they change packaging styles, and the new src packages aren't compatible with the older build tools. IIRC, that happened between 10.04 and 12.04.

It did, but it's only relevant for packages which actually updated their build scripts. A huge proportion of packages from 12.04 will still build fine on 10.04 (which I've been doing in order to backport certain packages to install).

Re: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS (Trusty Tahr) Final Beta released

#179
post #46

I'm using 12.04 LTS quite extensively. For folk in a similar situation, how long are you thinking of waiting before switching to 14.04 LTS?

The official Canonical/Ubuntu line on this is to wait for the first point release, 14.04.1... however long that takes. I think for 12.04 it took 2-3 months.

Re: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS (Trusty Tahr) Final Beta released

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I too was pushed to mint after 11.10 but I'm sick of Mint now too. Not only do upgrades break it frequently, but I find small 'glitches' that end up taking up too much time tracking down. Stuff like Wifi dropping, and icons in my taskbar dissapearing, random browser crashes etc. What I did was decide to sit down and do an Arch install. Yes it takes time, and yes you have to know what you're doing. But I invested the…

I am using Mint 16 now; first time using it. Previously I was using Ubuntu. I had to switch to Mint because we got W540's at work which has a lot of new hardware that is not currently supported (well). I wasn't able to get Ubuntu working on it properly, but I have been impressed with Mint so far. The only issue right now is that it doesn't see my nvidia card and so I have to use the integrated chip instead of the dis…

Arch isn't that hard to set up, it's still easier than Gentoo. You just have to set it up from an explicit point of view. You must know every detail of what you want, and each item up, rather than a "10 clicks and I have an OS now" type of setup.

It helps to have a good knowledge of Linux to do it, because you know where things should go and where to look if there is a problem, but it doesnt' require you to become a kernel hacker just to get it to a prompt.

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