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Goodbye, Firefox Marketplace

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Re: Goodbye, Firefox Marketplace

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Post by m0skit0 »

urbanautomaton wrote: post #158
parennoob wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This statement "However, this particular subject is not one that is negotiable to us. We are personally affected by his actions." should make people very skittish about using Team Rarebit's code or services in production, specially if they ever make something that your app infrastructure is dependent on (like payment systems or APIs). I understand that right now, it's some tiny app that doesn't affect too many people…

Weighed in the balance: 1. the right of gay people to get married 2. our personal right to pay money to bigots using specific money-transfer services I'll be honest, I keep re-rolling, and it keeps coming up 1. What am I doing wrong?

So then I understand you do agree that a company should ask you your personal beliefs, religion, sexual orientation, and check which donations to which causes you made before hiring you? Because that's what you're implying here.

Re: Goodbye, Firefox Marketplace

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Post by alxjrvs »

transitionality wrote: post #147
wpietri wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

By trying to keep these guys from getting married, Eich made it personal. As the court decisions have shown, keeping them from getting married was an unconstitutional imposition upon their civil rights. Whereas them deciding whom to do business with is totally legit. Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequences.

I don't know what sort of consequences you're implying, but threatening someone over anything they say or think is certainly illegal.

I believe that "Consequences" here meant, "People finding out you are a homophobe".

Re: Goodbye, Firefox Marketplace

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Post by tn13 »

This is an absolutely knee jerk reaction. Just the way I stand for a gay couple's right to remain together I also support Eich's right to oppose a government policy which he believes is not right. I do not think anyone should boycott Eich or his organization because of the opinions which he holds about an issue that has nothing to do with his organization.

Also please do not paint the Gay marriages as some kind of black & white issue. There are plenty of subtle differences here. Traditional marriage laws which gives so many benefits to couples were designed with an assumption that marriages are only between man and woman. We can not mindlessly extend them to all kind of marriages.

Just the way I support gay marriages, I also support man-woman-woman or man-woman-man or [man|woman|] relationships also. Does that mean if an American man marries 3 Arab women all of them should get a green card ? Should a person with two wives be given more tax benefits ? What happens to parent's property distribution when brother marries his sister ?

The only moral position I feel worth taking is that government should protect individual liberties which involves getting into any kind of partnership among consenting adults. Beyond that everything has shades of grey.

Re: Goodbye, Firefox Marketplace

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Post by transitionality »

alxjrvs wrote: post #172
transitionality wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know what sort of consequences you're implying, but threatening someone over anything they say or think is certainly illegal.

I believe that "Consequences" here meant, "People finding out you are a homophobe".

There's absolutely no basis for defaming Brendan Eich like that.

Re: Goodbye, Firefox Marketplace

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Post by parennoob »

urbanautomaton wrote: post #158
parennoob wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This statement "However, this particular subject is not one that is negotiable to us. We are personally affected by his actions." should make people very skittish about using Team Rarebit's code or services in production, specially if they ever make something that your app infrastructure is dependent on (like payment systems or APIs). I understand that right now, it's some tiny app that doesn't affect too many people…

Weighed in the balance: 1. the right of gay people to get married 2. our personal right to pay money to bigots using specific money-transfer services I'll be honest, I keep re-rolling, and it keeps coming up 1. What am I doing wrong?

I would say that this is a false dichotomy. If said organizations are bigoted but legal 1) and 2) can co-exist peacefully if the app/service makes their value statement very clear from the outset about what sort of organizations they want to serve. It is the sudden suspension of an app or service based on personal decisions that I think is unprofessional.

To give a better example of why this would affect you as a third-party user not directly involved in the debate -- imagine you use a Mint-like personal finance app on your Android phone on a day-to-day basis. Now suppose Brendan Eich becomes CEO of Google, and the app writers pull their app from the Play store, and revoke API access for all Android devices. Would you be okay with that?

Re: Goodbye, Firefox Marketplace

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Post by Torgo »

Their actions seem perfectly reasonable considering they are a gay, married couple in California. And they are just announcing why they are breaking off their association with Mozilla. As far as I can tell they aren't making a "with us or against us" stand against anybody else not following suit, so I can hardly begrudge them this.

Re: Goodbye, Firefox Marketplace

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Post by alexqgb »

teekert wrote: post #112
pvnick wrote: post #63

I don't know what it is about gay marriage that draws people in to this ridiculous witch hunt. I'm neutral on the issue because I feel it's complicated like every other polarizing topic, but to a lot of folks it's solid black-and-white, good-vs-evil. But the pro-gay-marriage crowd seems to go beyond that. To them, it's so black-and-white that one's not even allowed to hold the other view. These people don't even ackn…

"I feel it's complicated like every other polarizing topic" What's complicated about allowing people to do what they want as long they are not hurting others? By saying "it's complicated" you are saying that you have some complicated thoughts about something that is absolutely none of your business, Why? I seriously want to know, I don't understand this obsession with what others do if it has no effect on you what so…

Bingo. There's nothing complicated about this. Moreover, it's idiotic and / or ignorant to suggest otherwise.

Assuring basic equality under the law was the whole point of the 14th Amendment. And on this point, the law is absolutely, perfectly clear. People treat it in black and white terms because those are the terms that actually apply.

Indeed, it's no more complicated than "Should black people be allowed to vote?" or "Can we buy and sell women like slaves?"

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