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Re: Russia Blocks Access to Major Independent News Sites

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Post by malkung » Mon, Mar 17, 2014, 2:14 AM UTC

trycatch wrote: post #170

malkung wrote: post #169

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> What an amazing argument, because there are only two media outlets in the world -- Fox News and Huffington Post. No, I prefer Völkischer Beobachter obviously. To call a news source "leftist idiots" to contradict what they say was an amazing argument. Very convincing. > Russian propagandists even had to leak taped Paet conversations It would be very wrong to hide them. Who hired the snipers to shoot policemen and pr…

Haaretz verifiable provable lied, but it doesn't matter for you, because it's the oldest Israel newspaper. 3 chief Rabbis of Ukraine and the Association of Jewish Communities of Ukraine say there is no neo-Nazi threat from Ukrainians while it exists from Russians, but it doesn't matter for you, because you found few photographs of neo-Nazis in 1 million crowd. OK. I don't know, at this point the discussion as constru…

The fact the photos are from 2013 or someone at Maidan was wearing an old Nazi symbol of Svoboda does not justify the statements "There is no anti-Semitism in Ukraine" and "Svoboda has nothing to do with Nazis". Rather the opposite.

I have no problem recognizing Gubarev is/used to be a Nazi. But this does not mean the "peaceful activists" at Maidan had nothing to do with Nazis.

Re: Russia Blocks Access to Major Independent News Sites

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Post by casualmuscovite » Wed, Mar 19, 2014, 1:42 PM UTC

eps wrote: post #92

casualmuscovite wrote: post #85

Reporting from the trenches. Here in Moscow all 4 sites from the list [1] are being banned as of this morning. * ej.ru (assortment of articles by opposition writers) * kasparov.ru (chess grandmaster and one of the opposition leaders) * navalny.livejournal.com (possibly most prominent opposition leader as of late; mayor of Moscow candidate in 2013 mayoral election) * grani.ru (opposition newspaper) I'd have to agree w…

Isn't Navalni widely considered/painted as a paid US shill in Russia? I've seen him on TV and he didn't strike me as someone who'd put his life on a line for betterment of Russian governance, just in principle. His true motives are far from clear.

This sub-thread here is the reason "why we can't have nice things" :) There's a lack of balanced opinion or incentive for agreement. We have "radical libertarians" on one hand and "radical Putinists" on the other. You listen to both camps and the truth is somewhere in the middle.

As for myself, I do not see a viable (European-grade) democratic movement in Russia that I'd be willing to give my support (I think Yabloko was/is the closest). At the same time, I do not feel oppressed or living under tyranny here :)

Fun fact: Navalny, originally a member of Yabloko, was expelled from the party for nationalist rhetoric back in 00s.

Re: Russia Blocks Access to Major Independent News Sites

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Post by sologoub » Wed, Mar 19, 2014, 4:26 PM UTC

avmich wrote: post #156

sologoub wrote: post #151

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You'd be surprised how many Russians speak another language... Plus google translate works pretty well.

I'd guess, much smaller percentage than in Europe, where many neighboring countries speak different languages. Why Russians should study foreign language if they are not going to use that - and that's the case for large percentage of population? It's similar to US in that regard - almost all know English, that's enough at home, and usually enough in neighboring Canada, and the primary foreign language is Spanish, pro…

Russia is very different from US in that it's internal market is not really enough. Many US companies don't bother trading outside the boarders because the cost/benefit is not there.

This is definitely not true in Russia, especially in anything related to software and such (the better paid industries), even Oil requires speaking another language.

It is true that poorer portion of the population don't usually invest much time in other languages, but middle and upper income brackets do.