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Re: Satoshi Nakamoto denies being Dorian Nakamoto

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Post by pdeuchler »

nicky0 wrote: post #167
pdeuchler wrote: post #93

Hmmmmm. Assuming the post was made by the actual Satoshi... Dorian Nakamoto is Satoshi: This is an attempt by him to throw people off his scent, which would be foolish and desperate since chances are the millions of eyes focused on him will find more concrete proof than the Newsweek article, rendering the posting moot. Almost guaranteeing the drama will continue, if not whip it into a larger frenzy. Dorian Nakamoto i…

So you are essentially saying "being a decent human being" = "fail".

While unfortunately that is the case far too often in this world, that is not what I'm saying. I'm saying if this specific act is Satoshi trying to reduce harassment of Dorian and help out an innocent man it doesn't seem to work in his favor, in a game theory sense.

Re: Satoshi Nakamoto denies being Dorian Nakamoto

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Post by aestra »

gamblor956 wrote: post #123
azcoder wrote: post #63

I think the most compelling evidence that Dorian is Satoshi is described here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7354326 [EDIT: if an eyewitness account is compelling enough for you, this is evidence. it is to me, apparently not to some.] Dorian (as recognized by the retailer) bought a crepe from one of the first retailers to accept bitcoins, the 1st transaction of the crepe retailer's bitcoin address at 1KfQKmME7…

Its unfortunate you're being marked down by people who don't realize that memorable events create recallable memories. It's easier to remember the first time you do/experience something. The situation is novel and unique, which creates stronger mental connections that allow for subsequent recall. If Dorian was the 15th guy to buy something with Bitcoins from the retailer, that would definitely be suspicious. But the…

Eyewitness accounts are known to be incredibly unreliable and full of bias. I saw a show once when they staged a bank robbery or something like that. Later they showed interviews with witnesses who got every single detail about the suspect wrong (ethnicity, clothes, etc) and details about the robbery wrong. They were asked questions like "did he have a gun?" and they mostly answered "yes" even though he didn't. It was nuts.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eyewitness_testimony

In one of her experiments, Loftus demonstrates that false verbal Information can integrate with original memory. Participants were presented with either truthful information or misleading information, and overall it showed that even the false information verbally presented became part of the memory after the participant was asked to recall details. This happens because of one of two reasons. First, it can alter the memory, incorporating the misinformation in with the actual, true memory. Second, the original memory and new information may both reside in memory in turn creating two conflicting ideas that compete in recall.[13]

Re: Satoshi Nakamoto denies being Dorian Nakamoto

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Post by bestdayever »

adventured wrote: post #125

One thing is for certain, if Dorian is the real Satoshi, the Feds - NSA and FBI - are all over him, and they will know for certain whether he is the Satoshi (if they didn't know a long time ago). If Dorian = Satoshi, he's going to be forced in front of the NSA, and interrogated about bitcoin, he will have no choice in the matter (it won't matter if he's no longer involved, and it won't matter if there are no weakness…

Why would they need to interrogate him, they could just look at the source code. Not to mention they could easily get a plant as a contributor and work in back door code (probably already happened)

Re: Satoshi Nakamoto denies being Dorian Nakamoto

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Post by ww2 »

Why Dorian would say something below? Asked if he was technically able to come up with the idea for bitcoin, Nakamoto responded: "Capability? Yes, but any programmer could do that."

"Yes, but any programmer could do that." ---- Either this Dorian is ignorant or it is his natural response. This quote is weird.

Re: Satoshi Nakamoto denies being Dorian Nakamoto

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Post by Kronopath »

kenjackson wrote: post #141

From the AP article [1] he has a response that seems really odd: When shown the original bitcoin proposal that Newsweek linked to in its story, Nakamoto said he didn't write it, and said the email address in the document wasn't his. "Peer-to-peer can be anything," he said. "That's just a matter of address. What the hell? It doesn't make sense to me." Asked if he was technically able to come up with the idea for bitco…

Link to the article, since kenjackson here forgot to link it:

[1] http://news.yahoo.com/ap-exclusive-man-said-create-bitcoin-d...

Re: Satoshi Nakamoto denies being Dorian Nakamoto

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Post by scott_karana »

azcoder wrote: post #98
pdeuchler wrote: post #93

Hmmmmm. Assuming the post was made by the actual Satoshi... Dorian Nakamoto is Satoshi: This is an attempt by him to throw people off his scent, which would be foolish and desperate since chances are the millions of eyes focused on him will find more concrete proof than the Newsweek article, rendering the posting moot. Almost guaranteeing the drama will continue, if not whip it into a larger frenzy. Dorian Nakamoto i…

Dorian == Satoshi [1] It's a desperate attempt to mislead. [1] Here is Dorian making an in-person bitcoin purchase in July 2011: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7354326

That doesn't invalidate GP at all.

If Dorian was a member of the group that eventually birthed Bitcoin, isn't it realistic that he'd be an early adopter, even if the pseudonym wasn't quite his?

Re: Satoshi Nakamoto denies being Dorian Nakamoto

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Post by isleyaardvark »

adamnemecek wrote: post #31
jnbiche wrote: post #21

Even more interesting: look who signed Satoshi's key on April Fools Day of last year [1]. http://sks.pkqs.net/pks/lookup?op=vindex&fingerprint=on&sear... (ignore the signature from today, anyone could have done that in the brouhaha following today's disclosures) Based on that, it looks pretty clear to me that Dorian Nakamoto decided to "latch on" to the Satoshi Nakamoto founder's myth, either as a way to boost his re…

Lol at the John Titor reference https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Titor (for the uninitiated)

And Crash Override/Zero Cool at 1995 for the Hackers movie reference.

Re: Satoshi Nakamoto denies being Dorian Nakamoto

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Post by schoen »

goldenkey wrote: post #165
schoen wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

NSA isn't a law enforcement agency. If you get contacted (or arrested or detained) by a law enforcement agency, you could ask to have a lawyer present before answering any questions. Your lawyer can help you assert your fifth amendment rights against self-incrimination. I don't mean to deny that the Federal government might already know who the creator of Bitcoin is. They may, and they may have quite strong evidence.…

And the Patriot Act craps all over the 5th amendment unfortunately. A bitcoin founder could be called a domestic terrorist for creation of a "terrorist" money source.

Do you have an example of someone described as a domestic terrorist being compelled to answer questions in an interrogation as a result of the Patriot Act?
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