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Re: Australis is landing in Firefox Nightly

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Post by zobzu »

keeperofdakeys wrote: post #143
Watabou wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People still seem to make the statement that Firefox uses more RAM, when in fact, since Firefox 20, it has consistently used LESS ram than all the other browsers. I have 40 tabs open now, and it's using 1.16 GB which is awesome. I actually want it to take up more because I have 6GB of free RAM not being used, which is a waste. Compare that to chrome. Using the same number of tabs and it can easily take up more than 3…

Here is a link to the project https://wiki.mozilla.org/Electrolysis . The only thing about using separate processes is that you increase memory usage, since every tab has overhead, and tabs can't share resources (chrome tends to go process per domain).

i think electrolysis currently does something like grouping tabs like 10 per process or something. In nightly: about:config => browser.tabs.remote set to true restart firefox.

bang, you have multiprocess firefox.

a word of warning: it doesn't work so well, so i guess it's experimetal. you'll probably want to revert to false ;-)

Re: Australis is landing in Firefox Nightly

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Post by jfoster »

fsck--off wrote: post #90
lux wrote: post #2

They're still keeping the search and address boxes separate? :\

A Mozilla coder gave an explanation for this several months ago: "In case you wonder, the reason for which Firefox doesn't merge url and search bar is to protect user's privacy. If you prefer a Chrome-style UI, there are a couple of add-ons that provide just that." https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5590988

It's interesting. The address bar currently doubles as a search input, but doesn't autocomplete. The search bar does autocomplete, but won't take you to an address if you put one in it. (it takes you to a search for the address)

In my opinion, they need to think this through a bit more. Each input bar is crippled in some way (one won't autocomplete, the other won't go to addresses), and it's all driven by wanting to keep incomplete searches private (until Enter gets hit). Do users realize that the search bar in Firefox is not private, whereas the address bar is? I'm betting not. Do users expect them to be? Chrome assumes not.

In my opinion, if the privacy thing is so important, they'd still be better off having just one input with autocomplete off by default, and easily toggled to on. I doubt that users understand the current setup as "address bar is private, search bar is not".

Re: Australis is landing in Firefox Nightly

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Post by rurounijones »

zobzu wrote: post #169
rurounijones wrote: post #158

Unselected tabs blend into the chrome? No border? Eugh. That seems silly.

i got a border, on windows and linux. i kinda found it odd still,then after 5min i decided i actually like it more.

Hmm, maybe the screenshots I have seen are incorrect. I shall keep my mouth shut until I have the thing in front of me.

Re: Australis is landing in Firefox Nightly

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Post by kazagistar »

krelian wrote: post #92

So nitpickers might point out differences but you cannot deny that the basic tab looks just like Chrome's. When Chrome came out with this it was new and innovative. Now it looks like a copy. When this blatant copying happens (and it happens in many places; it's no wonder all phones look like a variation of the original iphone) I always wonder if the designers really did convince themselves that their design is differ…

Naw, I am pretty sure they know they are copying. Did they ever say otherwise?

They just say "hmm, that was a good idea, I think I can do even better" repeatedly, and so UX improves.

Re: Australis is landing in Firefox Nightly

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Post by Narretz »

Osiris wrote: post #74

One interesting feature is the ability to customize the layout of the UI. Opera had some really great features for customization of UI and it's nice to see another browser doing it. One thing I still haven't seen except in Opera: Tabs on the left or right. With widescreen monitors, I prefer my tabs on the left. Even better, tabs with thumbnails.

I hope they don't make it harder for add-ons to have the tabs on the left / right side. It's such a no-brainer to have the tabs there. Viewport is still big enough, and you can see the tab content mor easily.

Re: Australis is landing in Firefox Nightly

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Post by csmuk »

kbrosnan wrote: post #43
kibwen wrote: post #12

Hooray! Been waiting for this for a long time. I'll be especially happy if Mozilla can manage to improve the default look of Firefox on Linux, where it's just absolutely dreadful (and where I'm usually forced to resort to https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/fxchrome/ to preserve my sanity).

Firefox UX branch on Linux (Gnome) http://i4.minus.com/i3HfXuN32bRDe.png

That actually looks pretty decent. Thanks for posting.

Re: Australis is landing in Firefox Nightly

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Post by yukkurishite »

mixmastamyk wrote: post #39

Do not want. I'm happy with the tabs provided with my OS theme and do not want each app to have tabs with a custom shape and wasted space. Do not want a rainbow in my title bar and have not met anyone > 12 that does. What is it with these people and their obsession with skinz! and constant rearranging of buttons?

Agreed. I'm praying this wont break my userchrome

Re: Australis is landing in Firefox Nightly

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Post by Ankaios »

jfoster wrote: post #172
fsck--off wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A Mozilla coder gave an explanation for this several months ago: "In case you wonder, the reason for which Firefox doesn't merge url and search bar is to protect user's privacy. If you prefer a Chrome-style UI, there are a couple of add-ons that provide just that." https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5590988

It's interesting. The address bar currently doubles as a search input, but doesn't autocomplete. The search bar does autocomplete, but won't take you to an address if you put one in it. (it takes you to a search for the address) In my opinion, they need to think this through a bit more. Each input bar is crippled in some way (one won't autocomplete, the other won't go to addresses), and it's all driven by wanting to…

Well, I'm a Firefox user, and I understand the difference, and I use the input fields differently depending on whether I mind particular information leaking to a search company. So, I personally strongly prefer leaving things the way they are.

I'd actually vote for one change, though: I'd prefer the URL field didn't default to falling back to querying a search engine. One of my pet peeves is mistyping a URL and having my input sent by my system to Google. (That's easy enough for me to change, though, and the Firefox developers seem to be concerned enough about privacy and security to leave the ability to change it intact.)

Re: Australis is landing in Firefox Nightly

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Post by V-2 »

jeorgun wrote: post #119
DrJokepu wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think OP was talking about Chrome’s tabs specifically. Their appearance and the way they function. Firefox had tabs well before Chrome (and IIRC Opera had tabs well before Firefox).

Chrome's tab shape didn't exactly originate in a vacuum, though. https://www.google.com/search?tbs=imgo%3A1&tbm=isch&q=manila... It seems slightly disingenuous to claim that every use of non-square tabs is copying Chrome.

Putting the tab bar on the very top was introduced in Chrome. It was the first browser that did that, the others followed soon.
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