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Re: Map of America's Racial Segregation

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Post by eru »

jordanb wrote: post #158
rmc wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh they don't pretend it doesn't exist. The link is, effectively an EU anti-racism law. It's just that it's not based on biological race , but on "racial or ethnic origin".

Official racial identification in America is based on self-identification. The data from these maps came from people filling out a form saying what race they are. On modern census forms, people are allowed to choose multiple races, and the same holds for ethnic origin. Some of the comments here seem to suggest that these maps come from measuring craniums and all that. Fortunately that's one horror that didn't survive…

Oh, it did survice the boat trip (see e.g. paper bag parties). It only died overseas, not during transit, if at all.

Re: Map of America's Racial Segregation

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Post by newnewnew »

throwaway_a wrote: post #161
newnewnew wrote: post #126

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Africa ain't exactly paradise, either.

This is a troll'ish comment that has nothing to do with the current discussion. Or what are you trying to imply here?

You hypothesize that the American black population is suffering because their African culture has been taken away from them. I'm merely pointing out that African culture doesn't seem to have built many thriving populations anywhere.

American black culture wasn't nearly so dysfunctional before the rise of the welfare state and the War on Drugs. Illegitimacy was under 30% in 1960 (compared to about 80% today). That has a lot of knock-on effects for other social ills.

Re: Map of America's Racial Segregation

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Post by sangnoir »

newnewnew wrote: post #122
rayiner wrote: post #22

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The overriding trend in American cities is that whites will not live in predominantly black or hispanic neighborhoods.[1] But the reverse is generally not true. So you see much less segregation in predominantly white cities like Portland than in cities like Chicago that have an even mix of races, which have less segregation than predominantly black cities like Detroit or New Orleans. As far as I can tell, most Europe…

> You can argue about whether this is racism or classism. Or it could just be avoiding high-crime areas. Given the vastly different propensities of people of various races to commit crime, avoiding crime tends to make you look racist[1] [1] http://www.ronunz.org/2013/07/20/race-and-crime-in-america/

You can still argue your assertion further: you seem to be declaring that race (and not class) is the driver for crime. Race and class (in America) are strongly linked that when a person declares one thing (and not the other) as the cause, it tells you a lot about the person.

Re: Map of America's Racial Segregation

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Post by throwaway_a »

newnewnew wrote: post #172
throwaway_a wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a troll'ish comment that has nothing to do with the current discussion. Or what are you trying to imply here?

You hypothesize that the American black population is suffering because their African culture has been taken away from them. I'm merely pointing out that African culture doesn't seem to have built many thriving populations anywhere. American black culture wasn't nearly so dysfunctional before the rise of the welfare state and the War on Drugs. Illegitimacy was under 30% in 1960 (compared to about 80% today). That has…

I'm looking at your link, its related links and your comment history. I think I see where it's all going..... I simply say that it's a combination of identity loss and racism. The War on Drugs, particularly weed, was pretty much started purely because of greed & racism. http://www.drugwarrant.com/articles/why-is-marijuana-illegal... When alcohol was attempted to be made illegal, too many white people got mad so that law had to be removed. Since weed mostly effects non-whites, it's illegal to this day. Put them in jail, ruin the background-check, we already know a resume with a black name doesn't get called back as often as a different name - all good for continued welfare. Nobody is saying there'd be zero problems without racism, but it wouldn't be so disproportionately bad. Africa itself also has a troubled history of slavery & other countries colonizing it. Also, the greed and corruption that comes from having diamonds & oil is still a problem today. It is also known that US dollars are funding those military. Also note that there are some parts of Africa that are not bad to live in, you just never see that on American TV. Of course it takes two for that to work, one to give the money and the other to accept it - but greed has millions of dollars & guns and everyone else doesn't, so... I will end here saying that if I had my magicwand-timemachine, went back in time and removed slavery and somehow the corruption related to the country's vast natural resources, things wouldn't be like this. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_resources_of_Africa

And a quick side-note, there was a radio-host. A white woman I believe. They talked about gun-law reform. That's another thing that gets minorities in trouble. She made the comment that if someone started a campaign to get all black males in Oakland signed up with the NRA and obtain a gun legally, gun-laws would be changed immediately. Why don't minorities sign up with NRA to begin with? I don't know, but whatever the reason is, that's why gun-law hasn't changed. I believe that to be very true and I think laws in America are generally set in a way that lowers the likelihood that a non-minority will break them. It probably wasn't that way on purpose at first, but once some people noticed the money from prisons and correction-facilities - combined with American's fear of immigrants... the success of war on drugs in terms of who's getting ruined by it... again not saying there would be zero problems, but the disproportionate levels e see today wouldn't be happening. Don't forget the reason why a lot of black people are even in America to begin with...

Re: Map of America's Racial Segregation

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Post by jtfairbank »

twic wrote: post #50
WA wrote: post #28

I watched once a lecture on Coursera about Schelling's model of segregation, which I found extremely insightful. If you see maps like that with strong segregation, one of the first attempts to explain it is "racism". However, if you divide your neighborhood in 9 blocks such that you are in the center, you have 8 neighbors. Schelling's model now shows that even in cities where most people say:"I'd like to live next to…

Reminds me of a similar thing in developmental biology, where if you have two populations of cells, each having a slighly higher affinity for other cells of its own type, then they will very efficiently sort themselves into separate compartments. This is thought to be a pretty important mechanism in the formation and maintenance of structures in the body. In case anyone's interested, here is a nice (if now rather old…

Why do you say that scientific writing was better in the '90s? I'm just curious, not challenging your claim.

Re: Map of America's Racial Segregation

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Post by rmc »

jordanb wrote: post #158
rmc wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh they don't pretend it doesn't exist. The link is, effectively an EU anti-racism law. It's just that it's not based on biological race , but on "racial or ethnic origin".

Official racial identification in America is based on self-identification. The data from these maps came from people filling out a form saying what race they are. On modern census forms, people are allowed to choose multiple races, and the same holds for ethnic origin. Some of the comments here seem to suggest that these maps come from measuring craniums and all that. Fortunately that's one horror that didn't survive…

Self-identification is mostly the way it's done in Europe as well.

Re: Map of America's Racial Segregation

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Post by rmc »

tsotha wrote: post #134
rmc wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh they don't pretend it doesn't exist. The link is, effectively an EU anti-racism law. It's just that it's not based on biological race , but on "racial or ethnic origin".

I can see ethnic origin not being biological, but how can racial origin and biological race be different things?

It's "(racial or ethnic) origin", not "(racial origin) or (ethnic origin)".

Re: Map of America's Racial Segregation

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Post by unwind »

BrandonMarc wrote: post #117
spodek wrote: post #9

Here is the actual map, which you can zoom into, scroll, pan, explore your neighborhood, etc. -- http://demographics.coopercenter.org/DotMap/index.html EDIT: Exploring, I see the island I live on -- Manhattan -- has the four main dot colors well represented, though mainly in blocks. The main mixing is between whites and Asians and between blacks and Hispanics. Notably parts of the Upper West Side, East Village/Lower…

I'm glad the code is available. I'd like to see this visualization applied to previous census data, so that we can visually compare two points in time (or more). So, say: * the 2000 census data * the 1990 census data * the 1980 census data ... and so on. If this can be visualized, and then maybe animated, that would provide some insightful results.

Paging http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Rosling, paging Hans Rosling. Animated visualization of statistical data required, please respond ...

Re: Map of America's Racial Segregation

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Post by tootie »

mkopinsky wrote: post #169
tootie wrote: post #65

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Neighborhoods doesn't tell the whole story in New York because we have a subway. We are integrated at the breating space level on a daily basis.

Riding the subway means that as a white New Yorker, you will twice a day share a room with a black person. Whether you interact with them is another story - I'd venture that most people never say a word to anyone in the subway. To understand (likelihood of) interaction, neighborhood maps are one piece of the story, as would be (as mentioned elsewhere in the thread) workplace data.

I hardly talk to my neighbors too. I do most talking with my friends and coworkers.
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