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ElementaryOs Luna released

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Re: ElementaryOs Luna released

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Post by charlesism »

nosefrog wrote: post #16

Mark my words: elementary OS is going to be big. I was on a beta version of elementary OS a couple months ago, and it was like a breath of fresh air. elementary OS sets out to settle the number one complaint casual users have of other Linux distributions: design. Other Linux distributions look like a mish-mash of a bunch of different designs by many different people. elementary OS has a beautiful, striking, and (most…

It's interesting that the features of this OS sound like the features of Gnome in the late 90s (we care about design, and we don't swamp the user with choices)... and Ubuntu a few years later. I truly wish this project the best but it will be an uphill battle when Apple revamps the look of OS X, and Elementary OS is left looking like a dated, less consistent version of someone else's system software. That sounds more cruel than I intended, but I don't see the future in slavishly copying OS X... even the Dock, the worst feature of OS X!

Re: ElementaryOs Luna released

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Post by TheLegace »

aroman wrote: post #149
yapcguy wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How have you found developing in Vala? What is concurrency and multi-threading support like in the language? With Vala's object system built upon GObject, wouldn't targeting Qt be a problem?

Vala is, all in all, fantastic. The way I describe it to people is "it feels like C# but runs at C speed", and that's pretty much accurate. The only issues we have are binding bugs and Vala bugs, both of which are harder and harder to find these days. And when you do find one, the development community is very active and you can find the help you need. For concurrency, I have personally written async vala code (which…

How do you feel about using Python generating code just like Vala code is generated?

Doesn't GObject basically mean all the languages supported are compatible and we can write libraries/applications (which are generated into C code) and they are binary compatible with each other without extra code or configuration.

I think that's really interesting and could make very fast, and robust applications very flexible as well.

I am actually watching a talk on PyGObject by the author Tal Liron. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QrGmA_RR4E

Re: ElementaryOs Luna released

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Post by dvirsky »

I would love to use it on my already existing Ubuntu installation. I see that it's based on Precise, and I have Raring. Is there an apt repo I can put on top of my Ubuntu box to enable this?

Re: ElementaryOs Luna released

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Post by munchor »

charlesism wrote: post #171
nosefrog wrote: post #16

Mark my words: elementary OS is going to be big. I was on a beta version of elementary OS a couple months ago, and it was like a breath of fresh air. elementary OS sets out to settle the number one complaint casual users have of other Linux distributions: design. Other Linux distributions look like a mish-mash of a bunch of different designs by many different people. elementary OS has a beautiful, striking, and (most…

It's interesting that the features of this OS sound like the features of Gnome in the late 90s (we care about design, and we don't swamp the user with choices)... and Ubuntu a few years later. I truly wish this project the best but it will be an uphill battle when Apple revamps the look of OS X, and Elementary OS is left looking like a dated, less consistent version of someone else's system software. That sounds more…

We came up with a lot of new stuff, we have tons of developers with brilliant ideas and innovation has always been present on elementary OS.

I'm pretty sure we'll keep innovating and I'm pretty sure OS X's updates won't contribute to our failure in any way possible.

Re: ElementaryOs Luna released

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Post by munchor »

StavrosK wrote: post #170
aroman wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I appreciate the input. All I can really say is that you have to remember elementary is not a business. We don't have investors. We don't aim for market share or target X number of users by X date. Fundamentally, we build what we think is best, and if other people find it valuable too, they use it. So far, it's worked. So "user acquisition" isn't really a concern for us, though frankly, I believe it should be. And un…

I don't really know what people are complaining about. You're making something amazing that people really really need, you are doing it with donations (as far as I understand, anyway), and it's not like you set out to copy Apple wholesale. I think the benefits far outweigh any drawbacks (I can't really see any), so you'd probably do well to ignore the negative feedback and keep doing what you're doing.

>so you'd probably do well to ignore the negative feedback and keep doing what you're doing.

That's us, thank you.

Re: ElementaryOs Luna released

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Post by Gormo »

I'm really, really impressed with the responsiveness of the UI. The only OS I recall using that was that responsive was BeOS.

Unfortunately, Elementary OS seems to have fallen victim to the aesthetics-over-functionality trend that's currently plaguing the software world. The user interface is just too simplistic for this to be a productive OS for day-to-day work. None of the applications specific to this distro seem to have menus or configuration options. I can't put files or directories on the desktop. I tried to use what it came with, but it ended up being to frustrating; I had to install Firefox, Thunar, and Thunderbird instead of using the out-of-box browser, file manager, and email client.

I really like some of the basic work that's gone into this OS, but it just doesn't seem like it can be a viable substitute for more full-featured distros.

Re: ElementaryOs Luna released

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Post by aray »

aroman wrote: post #103
ChuckMcM wrote: post #90

I look forward to an ARM version of this, one for Pandaboard and one for Raspberry Pi.

We've got them coming! Some of the guys who work on the build process and the ISOs have cranked out some ARM builds of Luna. I don't think they're perfect quite yet, but I fully expect them to be available for download from the website as soon as they are :)

Where could those of us with a bit deeper magick in ARM hacking follow along the process? I'd love to get this running on my samsung ARM chromebook :)

Re: ElementaryOs Luna released

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Post by agumonkey »

aroman wrote: post #62

I have been a developer for elementary for 3 years, and I am part of the elementary core team. I am also personally close friends with much of the design and development team, including the project's founder and lead designer, Daniel Foré. There seems to be a lot of feedback here which basically says "this trying to rip off OS X". I would like to offer you some insight into our internal assessment of these claims. Is…

I clearly tought of Steve Jobs while watching the video. But not in a copy-print way. You took elements and added yours. Also I know you were using Vala to develop, is it a good part of your productivity ? It seems you were free to think about solving the problem the best way. Or maybe you're just all very good..

Re: ElementaryOs Luna released

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Post by SkyMarshal »

aroman wrote: post #62

I have been a developer for elementary for 3 years, and I am part of the elementary core team. I am also personally close friends with much of the design and development team, including the project's founder and lead designer, Daniel Foré. There seems to be a lot of feedback here which basically says "this trying to rip off OS X". I would like to offer you some insight into our internal assessment of these claims. Is…

Looks great, nice work. But where can we find a more technical overview? I wasn't even sure whether it was Linux or BSD based or something else until halfway down the front page, and had to check the Developers section to find out it's based on Ubuntu. But which version, and what big changes did you make under the hood?

Re: ElementaryOs Luna released

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Post by neona »

Honestly, this just looks like yet another linux distro with yet another DE. The site doesn't really talk about what all it does, and it's pretty vague.

Am I missing something here? Sure, the design looks nice, but I don't see what compelling reason I have to use this, nor do I know how compatible it'll be with anything.

Downloading it to try in a VM, if only out of bewilderment and lack of detail.

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