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Re: UK Porn Filter Will Censor Other Content Too, ISPs Reveal

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Post by jodrellblank » Sat, Jul 27, 2013, 2:27 PM UTC

w_t_payne wrote: post #53

Let's see which way the wind is blowing .... hmmm... I sense an opportunity for profit! I think that I will create a business to develop technology that lets us block undesirable thoughts. We will use an EEG cap as the sensor, some machine learning to detect undesirable thoughts, then a bone-conduction speaker to play distracting and disorienting sounds whenever our detector is triggered. Perfect. Do you think I coul…

then a bone-conduction speaker to play distracting and disorienting sounds whenever our detector is triggered.

But I already hear constant radio pop-music everywhere I go without triggering anything first :(

Re: UK Porn Filter Will Censor Other Content Too, ISPs Reveal

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Post by linuxhansl » Sat, Jul 27, 2013, 3:45 PM UTC

Of course it will. Porn, terrorism, etc, etc, are always used as fronts for some other goal. History has shown that once a technology is in place it will be misused.

Re: UK Porn Filter Will Censor Other Content Too, ISPs Reveal

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Post by linuxhansl » Sat, Jul 27, 2013, 3:46 PM UTC

jivatmanx wrote: post #100

InclinedPlane wrote: post #23

This deserves a lot more of a response but for now I'll just leave this: Liberty is about the ability of the individual to do things that others disapprove of. You don't need liberty if everyone else approves of your actions. As a corollary, the exercise of liberty does not require a justification, because it's a liberty, practicality or "usefulness" or what-have-you play no part in it. It's onerous to require someon…

>People often dismiss out of hand the notion that tyranny could possibly take hold over the first world democracies of the west in the 21st century I think that the two most famous tyrannies, the Nazis and the USSR, have given us a very narrow impression of how tyranny can take hold. We think, as long as there isn't a charismatic Hitler/Lenin figure agitating for revolution and preaching a radical ideology, that we'r…

Yep. We live more in an Aldous Huxley world than in a George Orwell one.

Re: UK Porn Filter Will Censor Other Content Too, ISPs Reveal

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Post by serge2k » Sun, Jul 28, 2013, 6:49 AM UTC

enoch_r wrote: post #159

cinquemb wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even so, there are a lot of flaws within it unless some people are considered 3/5ths of persons on the basis of their skin. The idea is to transcend, not regress…

That isn't the lesson of the 3/5ths compromise: The founders were hashing out how each state would be represented by Congress. They decided each state would have representation proportional to its population. The problem: some states had tons of slaves. Slaves weren't allowed to vote--that was never in question--but slave states still wanted them to be included in the population count to get more representation. Givi…

Ah okay, so really they were just protecting the rights of slaves. Gotcha.

Re: UK Porn Filter Will Censor Other Content Too, ISPs Reveal

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Post by enoch_r » Mon, Jul 29, 2013, 7:16 PM UTC

serge2k wrote: post #174

enoch_r wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That isn't the lesson of the 3/5ths compromise: The founders were hashing out how each state would be represented by Congress. They decided each state would have representation proportional to its population. The problem: some states had tons of slaves. Slaves weren't allowed to vote--that was never in question--but slave states still wanted them to be included in the population count to get more representation. Givi…

Ah okay, so really they were just protecting the rights of slaves. Gotcha.

That is a totally unreasonable interpretation of my comment.

Re: UK Porn Filter Will Censor Other Content Too, ISPs Reveal

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Post by 7952 » Wed, Jul 31, 2013, 4:26 PM UTC

jodrellblank wrote: post #170

7952 wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am surprised that they haven't tried this as it would be much more affective. Network level filtering always fails because it can't see encrypted packets. To prevent circumvention you need something running on the machine, at which point you may as well just run the filter on the machine. The government could have promoted officially recommended browser plugins. If parents don't know how to protect their children w…

Network level filtering always fails because it can't see encrypted packets. Pfft, how far in the past are you living? https://www.barracuda.com/products/webfilter/features SSL Inspection - Administrators can specify domains and URL categories for which SSL-encrypted traffic will be decrypted, scanned for malware and policy and then re-encrypted to the destination when deemed safe. All you do is put a trusted SSL cer…

You need root access on the machine to add an SSL cert, meaning that the network level filter fails without maintaining control of the users machine. At that point you may as well do filtering at the client level. I think we can all agree that breaking SSL is bad.