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Re: New Anti-Piracy System to Hit U.S. Internet Users on Monday

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Post by GHFigs »

beedogs wrote: post #165
GHFigs wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand. Netflix and Hulu are also subscription services. If it's about the price of a cable subscription, then brown9-2 was exactly right to begin with: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5276396

No, it requires me to purchase a completely separate cable TV subscription. I don't have, can't get, and don't want a US cable TV subscription. Even if I lived in the US, I wouldn't want to have to pay $100 a month for cable TV just for the privilege of paying an additional fee to stream HBO. (Feel free to now call me "selfish" or "entitled" or whatever the rest of the trolls in this thread have settled on to describ…

I don't have, can't get, and don't want a US cable TV subscription.

I never said you do, could, or did. I responded to a comment by smtddr. I had no way of knowing you trying to redirect the thread to be about yourself, personally. My reply was not directed to you, personally.

Even if I lived in the US, I wouldn't want to have to pay $100 a month for cable TV just for the privilege of paying an additional fee to stream HBO.

There are two things wrong with this.

One: HBO Go is free with the subscription. The cable subscription is why it's free. If you're going to get angry with me for even mentioning it, please try to familiarize yourself with what it is. Better yet: don't get angry with me.

Two: smtddr (the person I responded to initially) specifically said he was willing to buy something which sounds almost exactly like HBO Go. I don't understand why that option is overlooked by him, as it sounds very similar.

(Feel free to now call me "selfish" or "entitled" or whatever the rest of the trolls in this thread have settled on to describe the actions of rational people.)

I don't believe anybody has referred to you as selfish and I don't believe that anybody is trolling. I'm sorry you feel you've been attacked.

Re: New Anti-Piracy System to Hit U.S. Internet Users on Monday

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Post by GHFigs »

beedogs wrote: post #166
GHFigs wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People use the word "entitlement" because when you say this... I download shit because...there's literally no other way to consume said content ...you're making the assumption that you are entitled to consume that content simply because it exists, and that not consuming the content isn't even an option.

I like the part where you quoted me out of context to make me seem unreasonable. The content is right there, for the taking. So I take it. If it weren't there, I wouldn't take it. (Duh.) How's that "entitled" activity? Are you that obtuse, or are you just trolling?

I like the part where you quoted me out of context to make me seem unreasonable.

I don't know what you mean. I'm trying to show you why people perceive you as having an unreasonable sense of entitlement: it's the things you say that makes people think that. If your own words strike you as unreasonable, you may be close to understanding why other people see them that way.

I don't know what context you want me to have included. The reasons you give (e.g. "I want it", "it's available" and "it's fucking simple to do") don't make you seem any less like you have an unreasonable sense of entitlement. It's like saying "I eat because I'm hungry and there is food." Those things are obvious. But neither of them explain why you feel justified in taking from somebody else's plate.

The difference stands out even more without the analogy: Hunger is an actual human need, whereas watching Game of Thrones the night it's first broadcast in another hemisphere is actually very far from being a need.

Re: New Anti-Piracy System to Hit U.S. Internet Users on Monday

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Post by cjh_ »

kaybe wrote: post #64
cjh_ wrote: post #51

I really wish business practices would change to meet this demand. I recently came across crunchyroll [1] which has a huge amount of japanese animation available to watch online 'for free' if you can put up with ads, or you can pay $7/month to have ad free (as well as higher def). What I find really awesome is that for many shows it is available online an hour after it is shown in japan (this is for paying members, f…

Crunchyroll does however only give access to some shows depending on your region. Makes it mostly unusable for me, sadly.

I'm sorry to hear that, I made the jump from 'it works in New Zealand' to 'it works everywhere'.

Re: New Anti-Piracy System to Hit U.S. Internet Users on Monday

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Post by cjh_ »

creamyhorror wrote: post #71
cjh_ wrote: post #51

I really wish business practices would change to meet this demand. I recently came across crunchyroll [1] which has a huge amount of japanese animation available to watch online 'for free' if you can put up with ads, or you can pay $7/month to have ad free (as well as higher def). What I find really awesome is that for many shows it is available online an hour after it is shown in japan (this is for paying members, f…

Crunchyroll is a unique case. It started out as a typical pirate video site that basically streamed and profited off anime fansubs, then later managed to go legitimate by licensing anime from Japanese studios (presumably because it had a large audience and the studios decided to experiment with streaming to the international market). It's a one-off occurrence that I don't think has been duplicated by any other site s…

I wasn't actually aware of their history as a less-than-legitimate site, I guess that helped with the chicken and egg problem of content and audience.

Region licensing is definitely one of the big killers, I find it odd (read: sad) how companies can buy all the rights to a product for a region, and then not do anything useful (at least not to me) with it.

Re: New Anti-Piracy System to Hit U.S. Internet Users on Monday

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Post by digitalengineer »

api wrote: post #16
UnoriginalGuy wrote: post #13

Game of Thrones (the most pirated show of last year) comes out in March. Still not for sale at any price unless you have a cable package AND one of their authorised ISPs (plus $18+tax/month). Maybe companies like HBO should update their business practices to something roughly compatible with 2013, instead of trying to legal threat everyone into submission. If they sold it on iTunes, YouTube, or Hulu+ they'd convert t…

The game is protecting cable TV from total disruption by the Internet. Cable is the big cash cow. That's also why there's such a powerful, almost jihad-like effort to keep sports off the net. A lot of sports fans have cable to watch the game.

Sports is the only thing right now that does not fear piracy. After all, there isn't much value in a day-old game. It needs to be a live broadcast. Torrents, newsgroups are always "yesterday news" to real sports fans.

Re: New Anti-Piracy System to Hit U.S. Internet Users on Monday

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Post by digitalengineer »

wmf wrote: post #74
digitalengineer wrote: post #39

Well, here come the Dark Nets: "The RetroShare network allows people to create a private and encrypted file-sharing network. Users add friends by exchanging PGP certificates with people they trust. All the communication is encrypted using OpenSSL and files that are downloaded from strangers always go through a trusted friend. In other words, it’s a true Darknet and virtually impossible to monitor by outsiders. http:/…

Translation: The system is hard to use, has little content available, and downloads slowly when you can find something to download.

True, but for a lot of people it is a new technology. I expect darknets to grow, perhaps helped by social media. That will also bring more content. Most VPN's will happily provide the police your real IP... I first heared about Darknets from tech-guys in France, where they have a "3strikes and you're offline" law, compliments of Sarkouzy. Any French guys here wish to chip in?

Re: New Anti-Piracy System to Hit U.S. Internet Users on Monday

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Post by [deleted] »

wmf wrote: post #74
digitalengineer wrote: post #39

Well, here come the Dark Nets: "The RetroShare network allows people to create a private and encrypted file-sharing network. Users add friends by exchanging PGP certificates with people they trust. All the communication is encrypted using OpenSSL and files that are downloaded from strangers always go through a trusted friend. In other words, it’s a true Darknet and virtually impossible to monitor by outsiders. http:/…

Translation: The system is hard to use, has little content available, and downloads slowly when you can find something to download.

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Re: New Anti-Piracy System to Hit U.S. Internet Users on Monday

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Post by biot »

beedogs wrote: post #168
teach wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the sort-of sentence that some would characterize with the adjective 'entitled'. And this post, at least, isn't 'astroturfing'.

Well, they'd be wrong. M-W's third definition of entitlement, which is the only one that even remotely fits, goes something like this: " 3: belief that one is deserving of or entitled to certain privileges " So, your contention is that people who torrent movies believe they deserve the privilege of watching them, rather than that they may be doing it for any of a number of other reasons, such as the ones I and others…

Try this definition:

http://www.outofthefog.net/CommonBehaviors/Entitlement.html

Note the second-to-last example of a sense of entitlement:

  * An irate customer demands products and services
    that they have not paid for.
Unfortunately, attempting to argue logically with a person who has a sense of entitlement never works. They just want what they want and, to them, it's normal behavior.

Re: New Anti-Piracy System to Hit U.S. Internet Users on Monday

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Post by pbhjpbhj »

nitrogen wrote: post #34
EGreg wrote: post #31

LOOK MA, NO GOVERNMENT! With SOPA destroyed by the combined efforts of giant internet companies and internet users calling their congressmen, Hollywood was able to engage another group: ISPs. Note: this is done completely without government. It is one of the best illustrations to date of what I was saying, about nannies curtailing liberties being possible even if government doesn't do them. To all libertarians that s…

This absolutely was not done with no government, but was created as part of a partnership put together with the direction of the White House. Also, there's no reason for a libertarian not to oppose concentration of power in anybody's hands, whether it's government or corporations. Let's let this thread focus on the issue at hand instead of derailing it into another fight between different quadrants of the political p…

>a partnership put together with the direction of the White House //

I'm wondering when the people of the USA voted for this in their great democracy?

OT:

As an outsider USA politics appears more and more about satisfying corporate desires and very little about government by the people and for the people.

Re: New Anti-Piracy System to Hit U.S. Internet Users on Monday

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Post by pbhjpbhj »

autarch wrote: post #45
oakwhiz wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or, you could trade pieces only with trustworthy clients, based on a chain of trust.

Which means you rely on anonymous friends of friends of friends of ... to not accept a few thousand dollars from the RIAA to add their network as friends.

If the RIAA sponsor that person to upload the data then how can they say you're receiving unauthorised data from that person?

Also, isn't this a form of entrapment. If I offer to sell you drugs and you accept then it strikes me that I'm more guilty than you - same if I offer to send you works I know are copyright.

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