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Re: IRC is dead, long live IRC

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I've determined independently that a IRC server fills a sweet spot in the collaborative toolset. A basic IM system isn't good enough because it doesn't have channels, it doesn't give you a shared history. Email is heavy and induces people to spend too much time per message. Sometimes it's good to have a light/noisy feed, and IRC is just fine for that job.

Checkout HipChat. Like IRC and has a desktop and web client. They also have API which you can use to post messages to channels from external sources. We have our Capistrano/Ant scripts post their status to our "Deployment" channel. Currently working on a bot that hooks into Jenkins so we can build via our "development" channel.

We use Hipchat at work at the moment and while I like it overall there are some issues that they need to address.

The Air app for desktop can sometimes have performance issues for no particular reason. They're about to release a native OS X app though so that should solve this for a large amount of users.

The android application in woeful. It consistently logs me out and forgets my password which means that it's totally unusable for out of office notifications from people. I've had to rely more on their email notifications for unread personal messages than their Android app. It's a real shame because I could see myself getting a lot more use out of Hipchat if it worked well enough.

Re: IRC is dead, long live IRC

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I started an mIRC script site back in 1997. Young developers would email their scripts to me and I would write a very critical review of them. I did this for many months and the site quickly became one of the top IRC sites online. This momentum has carried the site all the way to 2013. While mIRC script traffic has steadily declined over the years there is still a strong community. We still have members posting mIRC…

I first got into serious software development by way if writing Ircle scripts, which eventually led me into writing my own IRC client (AthenaIRC anyone?), so I concur with your assessment.

Re: IRC is dead, long live IRC

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IRC was, at least for me, one of the main reasons that I pursued tech and started programming at a young age. A friend of mine introduced me to a local Irish group of Linux enthusiasts/sysadmins/engineers who put up with my foolish questions long enough for me to learn something. While some channels are very quiet now I still find it one of the best resources when I'm troubleshooting a problem.

There was a time where I would say with confidence that half of what I knew about computing was learned in IRC channels.

Re: IRC is dead, long live IRC

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It's such a terrible protocol and a pain in the ass all the time. Sadly, there is no other wide-spread protocol with good multi-user chat clients. XMPP might be the best replacement, but there are almost no dedicated multi-user chat clients and irc networks (like freenode) would have to join the two protocols during the transition.

What is so terrible about it? IRC was one if the first protocols I ever implemented, I found it a joy to work with, and surprisingly flexible.

Re: IRC is dead, long live IRC

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I'm also a big fan of IRC; I've probably been on EFnet since ~1993 and met a lot of great people there.

The weird thing for me was seeing how extensively the military uses IRC (for tactical communications relay -- various headquarters use it to relay information about operations, and they run structured channels for different levels of the organization). Sadly, mainly with mIRC as a client.

Re: IRC is dead, long live IRC

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Or do yourself a favor and don't. For casual group chat IRC blows xmpp out of the water. Every experience I've had with xmpp group chat has been subpar and frustrating.

Sure, but if it's company-linked, then you can use it for event alerts, automated contact list sharing when employees come and go, and other interesting features. The popular clients easily integrate with single sign-on type stuff on most platforms. You can point non-technical users at it and they understand. IRC is not like that.

Event alerts on IRC? Check.

Popular clients integrate with it? Check.

Single Sign on? Check.

Non-technical user? They sign in, they type, they see what others type. What's not to understand?

The only thing you mentioned that IRC doesn't have is automated contact list sharing.

Re: IRC is dead, long live IRC

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I'm maybe an exception since I am and have "always" been heavily involved in IRC, but IRC is still a central part of my life. My irssi session is connected to around 120 channels on 16-or-so networks right now. I've met my fianceé on IRC, got friends for life from all over the world through IRC, got jobs and assignments through IRC and I almost daily solve complex problems with the help of my community and network of…

How do you keep up with 120 channels? Doesn't stuff just scroll by? Do you keep logs or is the chat traffic paginated? Or do you just read what's on your screen when you switch to a certain channel? Or what IS your system for keeping up with so many channels?

I have a dedicated message window on part of my screen where all private messages aswell as notifications matching my defined hilights end up.

Other than that irssi has a pretty good activity tracker; and combined with a script to allow me to filter out things/channels that I don't want to trigger activity (joins, parts for example, and certain channels I just don't care as much about). On top of this I just have a hotkey bound to "/window goto active" that basically takes you to the windows with the highest activity and the lowest identifier. These ones combined does most of the trick.

But its obvious I can't read and keep active track of 120 channels, often I just briefly glance through things, if someone has lots of activity and/or mentions of me I appear and can keep track. Except that its just manual choice of what channel I want to use at the moment. :)

Not a perfect system, but works for me.

Re: IRC is dead, long live IRC

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How do you keep up with 120 channels? Doesn't stuff just scroll by? Do you keep logs or is the chat traffic paginated? Or do you just read what's on your screen when you switch to a certain channel? Or what IS your system for keeping up with so many channels?

I have a dedicated message window on part of my screen where all private messages aswell as notifications matching my defined hilights end up. Other than that irssi has a pretty good activity tracker; and combined with a script to allow me to filter out things/channels that I don't want to trigger activity (joins, parts for example, and certain channels I just don't care as much about). On top of this I just have a h…

@ahnberg Thanks for sharing that!
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