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Re: Gemini 3.8 Live and 3.8 Live Extended Thinking

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I use them. Daily. Gemini hasn’t been a contender by comparison for a long time.

I did a test involving implementing cobol control flow in Java for a source to source translation project. Gemini was the only model to get the edge cases. Cobol is very peculiar in this regard.

It's very good at Elixir in my experience too. And it just does what I ask and doesn't wind me up like Opus. I don't think I've had to insult it more than once per day.

Re: Gemini 3.8 Live and 3.8 Live Extended Thinking

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I wonder when/if we’ll see Gemini beating Fable and Astra. Last year I would have confidently bet Google will overtake the others just because they have the data, the hardware (TPUs) and a fat advertising money pipe and yet they are still behind. Anyone anonymous at Google want to hint when Gemini 4 will be out?

I have a shared understanding for what you're asking, but semantic versioning doesn't even make sense for AI models

these are essentially monthly releases, the dated releases that Deepseek and Qwen do make more sense

Re: Gemini 3.8 Live and 3.8 Live Extended Thinking

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I was surprised when (finally) trying out Claude how much I preferred Gemini's way of communicating. I wont argue Claude is better at coding, but for knowledge work, I had to dig through Claude output to find what I actually wanted. At times, it even felt borderline incomprehensible.

Opus specifically talks as if having a stroke. 4.6 was the last version that was pleasant to work with

I couldn't even stand 4.6 by the end. 4.5 was very usable, 4.6 started alright and somehow got more annoying. 4.7 made me quit my subscription and ditch their services entirely - it's an honourary member of my quite short "Coworkers I'd like to throttle if I didn't work remotely" list. Infuriating to instruct or communicate with.

Re: Gemini 3.8 Live and 3.8 Live Extended Thinking

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Not in the principled sense you mean but I have in fact recently started having Gemini explain to me what Claude is talking to me about, lol.

BTW, as kind of a follow-up to this, I think the most important finding to report--for those who only use one model, as many people seem to--is just how much more often Claude seems to be extremely confidently (and even insufferably) wrong than any of the other three big models (all of which I use quite often... yet I only pull out Claude when I've given up hope in a problem and are looking for out-of-the-box brainst…

Yes I have noticed this. I frequently have stronger models review weaker models. It’s very instructive to see what they get wrong.

Re: Gemini 3.8 Live and 3.8 Live Extended Thinking

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When comparing OpenAI and Claude thats pretty much true, but not Gemini... And have you tried Antigravity? Yikes

The CLI version of agy is great. Have you tried it?

Do you dangerously allow permissions? I absolutely cannot use it until they ship an auto approver. As it is now I have it write one bash/python script to do everything it wants to, then I review that. Otherwise it is COMPLETELY unusable and it shocks me when I hear people are using it.

Re: Gemini 3.8 Live and 3.8 Live Extended Thinking

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My first language is Afrikaans, which is a somewhat niche language and hard to find teachers/conversation buddies outside South Africa. (I live in USA now) I've been using Gemini to live chat in Afrikaans and do impromptu Afrikaans grammar lessons during my solo drives around town. It is phenomenal at speaking the language - like, it really shocks my family members when they hear it. This is probably the most joy I g…

I love Gemini in Google Maps for long drives. I start getting bored of music and podcasts and start grilling it with random questions I've always wondered about.

Every drive

Re: Gemini 3.8 Live and 3.8 Live Extended Thinking

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I've been building a language learning app which uses AI voice chat to let people practice. Would that be something interesting for you to try out? It's all still rough, but we've been learning Japanese with it and its pretty cool.

I want to, I have like a 2000+ day streak on Duolingo and I know I can only gain fluency once I start speaking it more.

We (me and my teens) used Duolingo for a few years and.. didn't really get that far in actually being able to speak. It's kind of mind-blowing that they are the market leaders. In retrospect, I think of it more like an addictive language game and not really a good way to actually learn to speak.

If you're really interested, shoot me an email.

Re: Gemini 3.8 Live and 3.8 Live Extended Thinking

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My first language is Afrikaans, which is a somewhat niche language and hard to find teachers/conversation buddies outside South Africa. (I live in USA now) I've been using Gemini to live chat in Afrikaans and do impromptu Afrikaans grammar lessons during my solo drives around town. It is phenomenal at speaking the language - like, it really shocks my family members when they hear it. This is probably the most joy I g…

It’s literally translation technology told to guess what’s most likely next instead of translate what it was given.

It makes total sense it’s good at regurgitating the edge cases of language.

Re: Gemini 3.8 Live and 3.8 Live Extended Thinking

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As sister comments have pointed out, I find that it's very much dependent on the phone you're using. If it can't even show me a waveform then I don't think it's going to be able to tease out any sort of speech

I was using Google's Translate app.

Sorry I wasn't clear. It's about the hardware microphone. They're usually optimized to filter out far field sounds and only focus on near field sounds. So if you're trying to understand a conversation from even 10 ft away, it can be a problem. Not saying that's the situation that you encountered, but it does make sense that a $50 phone versus a $500 phone might have different capabilities when it comes to the microphone
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