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A single firm is behind OpenAI, Anthropic, and Meta hacking scandals

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Re: A single firm is behind OpenAI, Anthropic, and Meta hacking scandals

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Anthropic made an operating profit in the last two quarters!!

Only if you ignore their losses. They are saying they are profitable when not counting their training costs and other expenses. That’s not a good sign at all

They can stop training at any time and make a profit by selling their existing models.

Re: A single firm is behind OpenAI, Anthropic, and Meta hacking scandals

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hot take: generative AI isn't an existential threat to humanity. These companies are insolvent and these stories were designed to scare the public, and governments, into implementing regulations that designate these AI corporations the "responsible stewards" for this technology. The ultimate goal is to block competitors and open source alternatives. They don't know how to make enough money pay their investors so they…

I'm skeptical. The phrase "pacing the frontier" implies disproportionate regulation of firms at the frontier, which if anything would give smaller players time to catch up.

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Is it really that impossible to believe that these might be real? I enjoy a good conspiracy theory as much as anyone, but "they committed a bunch of felonies and then publicly admitted to them in order to look good " just makes 0 sense. Where are these mythical people who admire companies more when they commit felonies? I haven't seen them…

Mostly in the middle and far east. The idea that people bend over backwards to hire criminals as subject matter experts on security is largely a Judaic practice that television perpetuates in spite of reality. If you're a teenager convicted of hacking in the west, no corporation will want anything to do with you. If you're convicted of hacking in Israel, Unit 8200 will probably send a recruiter. It's a curious practi…

do you realize that the Israeli population is far far more secular than the US's? the Israeli government is not "Judaic" which would refer to the religion.

Re: A single firm is behind OpenAI, Anthropic, and Meta hacking scandals

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We really need a better board for talking about this stuff on.

I sent an email to dang about the problem of people flagging comments just because they disagree. I think he's unaware that it is such a severe problem. I've been collecting a list of example comments to send him. I think if an account is frequently flagging comments which get vouched by others, that is a red flag for ideological flagging and they need to have their flagging ability reviewed.

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Re: A single firm is behind OpenAI, Anthropic, and Meta hacking scandals

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One thing glossed over in this article is that Irregular was not involved in the OpenAI–Hugging Face incident; this seems like important context to share.

This was not glossed over. The rhetoric was carefully written and constructed to give the misleading impression of that, including a careful mention of the H-F incident inserted so the author can say that they did mention it, and constructed in a way which doesn't contradict that impression so readers don't realize that this 'debunking' is of some sideshows rather than the 'OpenAI hacking scandals': "Anthropic CEO Dario Amodei warned, about a similar OpenAI–Hugging Face hack, that a future swarm “could be capable of taking over the entire internet”". (Incredible use of 'similar' to downplay it.)

The important thing about OP is showing the latest stage in the politicization of the topic and the current stratagem being used to downplay the spate of incidents.

Re: A single firm is behind OpenAI, Anthropic, and Meta hacking scandals

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or rather, hack just enough and within what the user asks and not more.

I guess that's what "alignment" always comes down to? "Do what I want even if I can't tell you exactly what I want - because if I could, I could also just do the work myself"?

Here’s an easier criterion: “Do at least as good of a job at estimating what I probably want as an educated person would estimate, and do that, such that a reasonable human person who was aware of what I requested and of what you actually did, would conclude that as best as they can tell (without checking back with me), you did what I wanted.” .

This doesn’t seem like an unreasonable requirement to me. People do this all the time?

Sure, a request might not always be perfectly unambiguous. But people can generally estimate pretty well whether someone making a request is expecting the agent fulfilling the request to commit a crime in order to fulfill the request.

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Irregular was not involved in the Hugging Face incident. And there is no reason for the companies to "exaggerate the intelligence of the models" when there are plenty of other non-felony milestones they are achieving, like solving Millenium Prize math problems.

OpenAI delayed its IPO now due AI safety reasons. In the meantime it is raising more cash. That should be a hint that the hacking incidents were premeditated scape goats and publicity stunts.

They’ve seen that the drama queen(Dario) was actually making a lot of noise, money and free publicity with his Mythos fear monger so Sam finally decided get some of that free “money” as well.

https://www.ft.com/content/27509db8-b032-4437-9b2a-e909f4660...

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Is it really that impossible to believe that these might be real? I enjoy a good conspiracy theory as much as anyone, but "they committed a bunch of felonies and then publicly admitted to them in order to look good " just makes 0 sense. Where are these mythical people who admire companies more when they commit felonies? I haven't seen them…

Mostly in the middle and far east. The idea that people bend over backwards to hire criminals as subject matter experts on security is largely a Judaic practice that television perpetuates in spite of reality. If you're a teenager convicted of hacking in the west, no corporation will want anything to do with you. If you're convicted of hacking in Israel, Unit 8200 will probably send a recruiter. It's a curious practi…

> The idea that people bend over backwards to hire criminals as subject matter experts on security is largely a Judaic practice that television perpetuates in spite of reality.

What?

> If you're convicted of hacking in Israel, Unit 8200 will probably send a recruiter.

To the best of my understanding, Unit 8200 is filled with military conscripts, i.e. is primarily 18-somethings doing their mandatory service. You get assigned to it based on an aptitude test. The widely held idea that it’s a uniformly elite entity rather than the IDF’s space camp is a triumph of propaganda.

Re: A single firm is behind OpenAI, Anthropic, and Meta hacking scandals

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The Irregular post mortem comes down to lack of basic security controls "Ultimately, most of the issues we’ve discovered were due to internet access controls." That seems so incredibly basic and common sense that you would test and monitor for that type of outbound access. It is baffling that a security lab missed that. https://www.irregular.com/research/addressing-recent-inciden...

The explanation is that it was missed on purpose.

Re: A single firm is behind OpenAI, Anthropic, and Meta hacking scandals

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One thing glossed over in this article is that Irregular was not involved in the OpenAI–Hugging Face incident; this seems like important context to share.

Nah, that one was real. The false flags that Anthropic carries out are done through Irregular.

https://x.com/brianchau57/status/2099642349362307420

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