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20% of 0.07 was billed as 1 cent, not 1.4 nor rounded up to 2.
Imagine your favorite feature of a product was spend 1 cent on a real human being time and effort rather than 2 cents.
Mechanical Turk shutting down September 30
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Re: Mechanical Turk shutting down September 30
#172It’s kind of crazy they’re shutting this down just when this Service probably has the most possibilities ever. You have an agent with Multiple people doing actual physical tasks in the real world seems like something that could be really powerful.
Re: Mechanical Turk shutting down September 30
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I think yes but on different categories. First one I imagine is robotics control and support. "This robot is having trouble folding a tshirt help it out for 1$" Unless they go the waymo route of highly trusted people but I think mass deployed robots are a bit safer than a car for this.
Giving out control of industrial machinery that interacts in the human environment without the physical interlocks (i.e. humanoid robots in a house) to random internet people seems like a problem. I can imagine a carefully orchestrated plot to assassinate someone by having an embedded agent in the task delegation pool command the laundry bot to punch the target's head off their shoulders.
Re: Mechanical Turk shutting down September 30
#174Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think yes but on different categories. First one I imagine is robotics control and support. "This robot is having trouble folding a tshirt help it out for 1$" Unless they go the waymo route of highly trusted people but I think mass deployed robots are a bit safer than a car for this.
Giving out control of industrial machinery that interacts in the human environment without the physical interlocks (i.e. humanoid robots in a house) to random internet people seems like a problem. I can imagine a carefully orchestrated plot to assassinate someone by having an embedded agent in the task delegation pool command the laundry bot to punch the target's head off their shoulders.
The principle of least privilege has been a hard learned lesson in cybersecurity. Why do we again need to first go through disasters to re-learn it in the physical world?
Re: Mechanical Turk shutting down September 30
#175Earlier quoted context omitted.
Giving out control of industrial machinery that interacts in the human environment without the physical interlocks (i.e. humanoid robots in a house) to random internet people seems like a problem. I can imagine a carefully orchestrated plot to assassinate someone by having an embedded agent in the task delegation pool command the laundry bot to punch the target's head off their shoulders.
Why does a laundry folding bot have to have the physical strength to be able to kill somebody? The principle of least privilege has been a hard learned lesson in cybersecurity. Why do we again need to first go through disasters to re-learn it in the physical world?
The idea here is Optimus-type robots that can do everything like a human and therefore don't need special infrastructure, as opposed to dedicated, immobile low-torque, low-velocity robots specifically for, say, laundry.
You can layer a safety system on top of the raw motor control but it's very complicated to define what is and isn't safe, especially when you consider what the robot is holding (and what it THINKS it is holding), where the robot is (or thinks it is) at the time, what is around it (what it thinks is about it) and so on.
Which isn't a robot-specific problem. Humans spend years learning how to subconsciously safely interact with their environment and even then fuck it up sometimes. What is robot-specific is being made of metal and having the "safe hand velocity within 10cm of a human head" function bypass be one bug or OTA update away.
Re: Mechanical Turk shutting down September 30
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Why does a laundry folding bot have to have the physical strength to be able to kill somebody? The principle of least privilege has been a hard learned lesson in cybersecurity. Why do we again need to first go through disasters to re-learn it in the physical world?
If a general-purpose humanoid robot has the strength to perform human actions at human speed, it will have that much torque in the motors. If it didn't, it can only move very slowly and/or jerkily. You need fast, high-torque feedback to stabilise the physical control system, especially if the robot is supposed to be able to lift and manipulate objects. The idea here is Optimus-type robots that can do everything like…
People only want to run Claude in Sandbod. Understandable. Seeing Optimus roam in their household would be rather surprising.
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Oh ... upwork ... put offer, get 50 replies from people which jump for every penny without even being able to understand the task.
I used it before AI coding and it was getting rough. Lots of US interviews with proxy Chinese or Pakistani workers. Lots of bullshit “I’ve done that; I can do this” and instantly apparent that this was untrue. Just the outright lies… whew. I haven’t touched it since AI coding. It’s a bad contractor market now. IDK what I would do if I needed a contractor.
And everyone eager to explore new World, do sh¡t and learn along the way. Not compensate for IRL social isolation like nowadays.