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Re: Amazon Is Creating the Biggest Pollution Source in the Country

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Politics is the art of the possible, not the ideal. Vote that down too I guess. Also, I call BS on your claim it's not working anywhere at scale. https://www.catf.us/resource/carbon-capture-storage-what-can... What do you want? To keep chasing the perfect or to embrace digging ourselves out of this mess by whatever means? I think I know the answer and I'll bet we disagree. But I too would prefer we pivoted to renewab…

I’m basing it on things like https://doi.org/10.1016/j.enconman.2026.121752 finding that it’s going to be hard both to scale up and get past 90% unless we have massive amounts of clean energy available. To me that means that we shouldn’t be approving any new fossil emissions and treating capture / sequestration as a nice bonus if we can make it work rather than something we can count on the make the numbers work. The…

From the paper you cite, here's the thing:

"The decarbonization of industrial hard-to-abate sectors through CCUS is critical, and that can be illustrated by looking at the target sources, such as the cement industry, accountable for 6–7% of global anthropogenic emissions [1]; or the steel manufacturing value chain, responsible for 7% of global energy-related emissions [2]. Given such dimensions, it can be concluded that carbon capture is critical to achieving CO2 restriction goals."

"In the cement industry it is worth highlighting that 60–70% of the total emissions of CO2 does not come from fuel combustion, but from the decomposition of the limestone into calcium oxide and CO2 "

So you can't get past 90% in the first place without carbon sequestration.

We have the same goal, but we see different paths to achieving it. I think if we do what it takes with carbon sequestration, the free market solves this for real as more and more profitable renewable power generation is stood up. But I do not believe that happens without the fossil fuel incumbents soft landing or finding bagholders to take the hit in the long run. And I won't count on Americans to demand better given all it took was the president to say he hates EVs and EV sales plummeted.

Personally, my house is more or less off the grid electrically already with a ton of solar panels and 75 kWH of battery backup. I voted with my wallet.

Re: Amazon Is Creating the Biggest Pollution Source in the Country

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When you spend many billions buying GPUs, you want to maximize utilization, and not turn them off during the night.

When you spend many millions buying a government, you want to maximize your return on that investment, not just play by the rules like everyone else.

You could argue that Musk spent 44 billions buying that.

Re: Amazon Is Creating the Biggest Pollution Source in the Country

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Also an important part that keeps getting left out for some reason: they're doing so illegally . They are running unpermitted turbines. They claimed the turbines were off and journalists had to use thermal cameras mounted on drones to prove that they are indeed running. Then a non-profit had to sue them to get them to agree to turn off the turbines by 2027... That's how bad our system is at giving any consequences to…

White collar crime is the only crime that should be eligible for the death penalty.

I don't support the death penalty at all but I have to admit I think society would be better off than what we currently have

Re: Amazon Is Creating the Biggest Pollution Source in the Country

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You do realize that Chinese electricity production quadrupled in that time?

Yes - what's your point? It seems like coal wasn't the golden ticket you're making it out to be so they built alternatives.

Do you understand what baseload means?

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Yes - what's your point? It seems like coal wasn't the golden ticket you're making it out to be so they built alternatives.

Do you understand what baseload means?

Yep and China is leading the world in recent and active construction of traditional hydro (dams) and pumped hydro storage to reduce their reliance on coal for baseload. I'm done with your bad-faith arguments.

Re: Amazon Is Creating the Biggest Pollution Source in the Country

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Do you understand what baseload means?

Yep and China is leading the world in recent and active construction of traditional hydro (dams) and pumped hydro storage to reduce their reliance on coal for baseload. I'm done with your bad-faith arguments.

Their 30 year plan is to move to nuclear for base load, and they are on track to manage it. The only people who think China is moving to a pre 2020 like western grid are people who don't know the first thing about China.
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