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DEA to Temporarily Schedule 7-Oh and Related Substances to Protect Public Safety

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Re: DEA to Temporarily Schedule 7-Oh and Related Substances to Protect Public Safety

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If it actually has beneficial uses let a doctor prescribe it. Kratom is extremely addictive and should be illegal yesterday.

This is a very overblown assertion about kratom. I've heard of people getting addicted, but no one I've known personally has ever had any issues. I have been using kratom almost daily for about a decade, and it has been one of the most useful substances for managing my physiology in response to my environment. It's great for stress reduction, but my most common use is actually ADHD treatment (which I doubt would be "…

Youve never heard of someone being addicted but youve been taking it nearly every day for a decade? Do you hear yourself?

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I had a biology teacher who was fond of repeating " everything is toxic, it's just a matter of dosage" And it's true, you can die from water toxicity. Water and air are ubiquitous, so we've naturally evolved defenses against overdosing. Sugar has always been rare and valuable as a food source. In fact most organisms existence revolves around collecting enough chemical energy. It's only in the last 100 years that suga…

Your last sentence is non-sequitur. The health implications of sugar consumption have no relationship to it being addictive (or not).

That's like saying the addictiveness of heroin has no bearing on its health implications. It is the literally the most important aspect to consider. Without addictiveness, it wouldn't have such a large impact.

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#173
I'll just say this: If your understanding of Kratom is via Youtube videos by "an odd guy who likes to investigate some really dodgy stuff", or other rando YT influencers, or even the ...great John Oliver, then perhaps your understanding of Kratom is incomplete.

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Look again. Feel Free does not contain Kratom extracts. It contains leaf.

I am quite familiar with it. It’s supposedly fermented leaf. Either way the impact is similar, and nothing like the natural leaf in effect or potency. Fermentation is its own form of chemical alteration. It’s certainly not ground up leaf put into a water bottle as implied.

Most leaf you buy from leaf vendors is fermented to some degree in the country of origin. My point stands - Feel Free does not contain extracts. The difference you may notice is more likely from the addition of Kava root, which is a gabaergic.

Re: DEA to Temporarily Schedule 7-Oh and Related Substances to Protect Public Safety

#175

Our country loves to let unregulated & addictive drugs flood into the market, let people become dependent on them, pull the rug by making them illegal, and then arrest them for trying to comply with their addiction. Destroy their lives, cripple their families, send them to prison, get cheap labor. The American way.

It's the lack of the precautionary principle and regulation. Not only that, it lets things be legal and then requires victims to prove their harm was specifically linked to that substance or product. It's Russian roulette beta testing without informed consent.

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A few years ago, I ordered a large tome that had a lot of interesting information in it, and one section was on Kratom, its varieties, its benefits, and its effects.

So I felt a little adventurous and I headed down to the "head shop" on the corner, and I picked up a pocket scale, and a bag of the Kratom variety that was touted as alleviating pain. The Kratom itself was powdered and unmeasured, so I also picked up a batch of "dime bags" and I carefully weighed out the Kratom in 500mg packets, so that each dose would be precise.

So I started taking it, and sadly my pain was never mitigated or alleviated. In fact, I began suffering some really unwholesome adverse effects, but I continued taking the Kratom, in a spirit of experimentation, and surely it would eventually hit me, the way my body was trained to react to smoking cannabis.

But that never happened. So I discontinued it. Looking more deeply into the Kratom section of my new book, I discovered that I had probably got the wrong variety of Kratom, the one that had only adverse and undesirable effects. Even though I had been careful to discern what type was being sold.

So, I suspect that it was mislabeled. And I suspect that that was not an accident. And I did not churn through the other varieties, hoping to find the one that would "work on me" because I suspect that it was all a trap, for naïve student types. They probably didn't carry "the good kind" at all.

So I left a bad review for the "head shop" and I've never returned. The pocket scale worked pretty good for weighing letters and other small mailpieces, though!

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Here in Canada you're not allowed to 3d print a modded grip for the rifle you're not allowed to buy, but in the USA you can get OPIOIDS at a GAS STATION! ... things are definitely different down there.

But the prison sentence once caught is much shorter in Canada.

The prison sentence for being caught doing legal things is surprisingly short.

Re: DEA to Temporarily Schedule 7-Oh and Related Substances to Protect Public Safety

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most states require farmers to put additives in their cow feed to specifically prevent those mushrooms, they are already actively regulated

You just made that up, didn't you?

Supposedly it’s an urban (rural) legend going around for a long time. Good story, even if it’s not true.

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#179

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You have a source on this?

Do people normally have sources on their opinions? I mean, they did specifically say it was their opinion.

I don't believe that comment qualified it as an opinion when I responded to it

Re: DEA to Temporarily Schedule 7-Oh and Related Substances to Protect Public Safety

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Raw leaf Kratom seems to be helpful for some with what I would consider a manageable and acceptable addiction danger. You can get hooked on it, realize there is an issues and cut back or come off it without it destroying your life. I see no reason to make it illegal. I've even seen is used by people to get off "harder" Kratom concentrates. Sorta like how we regulate beer and wine a bit differently than whiskey... sam…

Or, for that matter—the whole thing where Quechua folks chew coca leaf all day, and have for eons, without obvious ill effect… Coca : cocaine :: kratom : the stuff that just got listed, right?

Counterpoint - the Quechua who did have issues with it likely died out long before any of us would be aware of it.
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