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AI-generated videos to maximally drive a target brain region

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Re: AI-generated videos to maximally drive a target brain region

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Post by pixl97 »

soco wrote: post #80
aubanel wrote: post #78

This is the absolutely horrific next stage for social media platforms: - They're already well able to surface the most addictive short video for a specific user out of millions of real videos. - But these millions of real videos are just darts thrown into the space of "videos that could hook the user", in the end even the best-selected of them is not perfect. - Now, behold! AI allows to generate the perfect video to…

Don't forget it's not "the platforms" doing this, it's people like you and me, maybe even people reading this message. We, they, are building this, and don't care about anything as long the paycheck comes. This is the reality.

Moloch wins again

https://medium.com/@darth.mark.23/the-moloch-dilemma-how-gam...

Re: AI-generated videos to maximally drive a target brain region

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Post by bsenftner »

aubanel wrote: post #78

This is the absolutely horrific next stage for social media platforms: - They're already well able to surface the most addictive short video for a specific user out of millions of real videos. - But these millions of real videos are just darts thrown into the space of "videos that could hook the user", in the end even the best-selected of them is not perfect. - Now, behold! AI allows to generate the perfect video to…

Sounds like some people are trying to develop Snow Crash.

Re: AI-generated videos to maximally drive a target brain region

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Post by bpavuk »

Ntrails wrote: post #126
aubanel wrote: post #78

This is the absolutely horrific next stage for social media platforms: - They're already well able to surface the most addictive short video for a specific user out of millions of real videos. - But these millions of real videos are just darts thrown into the space of "videos that could hook the user", in the end even the best-selected of them is not perfect. - Now, behold! AI allows to generate the perfect video to…

> Let's hope our regulations hit these "social networks" hard enough so that never dare deploy this kind of technology. You'd do as well to hope that people wake up and stop opening the damned sites

you really have to catch the moment to do this, and there must be someone else who is supportive of this idea.

my mother recently got served a quite... disturbing video on Facebook. I won't get into details of the vid. what I can tell is that she was so dazed that she didn't even immediately understand me when I asked her, "delete Facebook and Instagram immediately or else they will think you like it and will serve you more." she kept replaying this video in her head. in a moment, I thought I wouldn't make her snap out.

for context, she is a damned Reels addict with war-induced traumas. (Ukrainian here.) she agreed to delete Facebook but decided to keep Instagram. we frequently pick bones about her sending stupid Reels and me hating them with passion. and every time I said "delete Instagram and your life will go up," she brought up scandals until she talked to a therapist.

EDIT: to quote a sibling comment, this is, indeed, like dealing with a drug addict.

Re: AI-generated videos to maximally drive a target brain region

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Post by sonicvroooom »

jrmg wrote: post #127

I’ll leave it to other comments to discuss the societal and moral implications of being able to do this (which, I agree, ick…). On a practical level: We train an encoding model, a “digital twin”, that predicts how each visual region responds to any video. Now we can ask: which video would make a chosen region light up the most? NEvo searches for that video automatically, using the twin’s prediction as its reward. I o…

... and shouldn't this backfire hard?

All the signals that are missed by the (f)MRI are never "mirrored" in the digital twin even though on screen it will look like it. Bam, Experimenter Bias in the machine and I don't know how to phrase it but ... does this method/experiment leave any wiggle room for Falsifiability?

Even if the Hawthorne Effect does not apply to humans, it most certainly translates onto the brain and sensory (post)-processing-- live and remembered (vs in-memory, stored), real, virtual or imagined.

... I just realized how vastly different peripherals are when real, remembered, virtual or imagined sensory input is (post-)processed ...

It feels more like the machine will reproduce a superficial pattern. And at least some signal streams echoing in the brain on input from the digital twin won't emerge because the digital twin has only part of the data. And that's a premise for an unnoticeable rewiring of what once used to fire together, ... given a hell of a lot of exposure, of course, ... or not ... let's see

EDIT n: the paper says pretty much all that in like ... science, bitch!

Epic stuff.

Re: AI-generated videos to maximally drive a target brain region

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Post by arm32 »

uniqueuid wrote: post #90

Among my secret research ideas, this is the most dangerous and morally wrong one. If future generations of researchers will wonder why IRB reviews became mandatory for computer science, studies like this will be the answer. Seriously, some people don't seem to realize the point at which they are becoming Fritz Haber.

Describing some of our colleagues as "becoming Fritz Haber" is a highly deep and accurate cut that I will 100% be stealing from you.

Re: AI-generated videos to maximally drive a target brain region

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Post by inigyou »

bcjdjsndon wrote: post #114
barrenko wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We are doing to our brains and our children the same thing we are doing to pigs in cages, squezeeing every last cent until the planet burns down.

> until the planet burns down. Common misconception. We won't kill the planet even if we tried to. Wed make it too hard to sustain billions of humans, sure. But they are very different things

The planet will still be here even if it burns down. After London burned down, there was still London. It was just burned down.

Re: AI-generated videos to maximally drive a target brain region

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Post by tayo42 »

anon373839 wrote: post #89
aubanel wrote: post #78

This is the absolutely horrific next stage for social media platforms: - They're already well able to surface the most addictive short video for a specific user out of millions of real videos. - But these millions of real videos are just darts thrown into the space of "videos that could hook the user", in the end even the best-selected of them is not perfect. - Now, behold! AI allows to generate the perfect video to…

Social media is not even the worst threat vector, in my opinion. It’s Anthropic/OpenAI/Google, whom people are giving an unprecedented level of access to their innermost thoughts. We have not yet seen* the kind of large-scale, individually targeted psychological manipulation that cloud AI products can deliver. And I have no doubt the likes of Dario Amodei and Sam Altman will show us, if we give them enough time. * I…

What crisis and engagement tuning are you referring to?

Re: AI-generated videos to maximally drive a target brain region

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Post by neon_diogenes »

jerkstate wrote: post #167
neon_diogenes wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Curious how the audiobook deals with the end notes? They are crucial imo.

it interleaves the end note in the text at the point where the endnote is referenced (by number), reads the endnote, and then sounds a bell to indicate that we've returned to the main text. Sometimes endnotes reference other endnotes and you have to wait until the point in the text, e.g. endnote 304 is referenced from earlier endnotes than it occurs in the text (rather late in the book) and you just have to wait unti…

That seems reasonable! I’ll check that out.

And yes, I agree. Im on my second read through now. The first time I skipped the first ~50 end notes. I thought the creator of infinite jest was a mystery, same with Joelles deformity (“was she really mangled or not— maybe we find out at the end!”). Oh, those two things are spelled out clearly in early end notes..

Any DFW fans here want to conjecture as to what “atemporal” jazz Pemulis listens to? I was thinking maybe some albert manglesdorf or perhaps ornette coleman..

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Post by inigyou »

malfist wrote: post #158
bcjdjsndon wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> until the planet burns down. Common misconception. We won't kill the planet even if we tried to. Wed make it too hard to sustain billions of humans, sure. But they are very different things

You say that, but run away greenhouse gases can sterilize the entire planet, like Venus.

Fortunately that particular extreme scenario doesn't seem likely. Radiance scales with the fourth power of temperature, and we're not filling the atmosphere with Venus levels of sulfuric acid. Our CO2 output will be self-limiting when it kills us and we stop outputting it.

Re: AI-generated videos to maximally drive a target brain region

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Post by inigyou »

ripe wrote: post #141
acessoproibido wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Care to elaborate for those that haven't started tackling this tome yet?

I think parent is referring to the film in the novel, also named Infinite Jest. The film is so compelling that its viewers lose all interest in anything other than repeatedly viewing it, and thus eventually die.

This occurred to rats who had levers wired directly to their reward centers.
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