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EU now one step away from reviving private message scanning rules

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Re: EU now one step away from reviving private message scanning rules

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> The worst thing I have to hide is knowledge about my intentions, none of which are bad/illegal/immoral. Correction: None of which are bad/illegal/immoral _right now_. The "I have nothing to hide" crowd will surely change their tune the moment any of their data starts to be used against them.

It is being used against me, but not my governments, by private enterprises :)

Those private enterprises just want your money. That's bad for a different reason, but the risk of being harassed or stalked by a private enterprise is very low unless you stand between them and their money.

The government can have completely arbitrary motivations and enact laws that punish people for the sake of punishment or just outright dismantle democracy by making it illegal to criticize politicians, something that is already happening in Germany.

Re: EU now one step away from reviving private message scanning rules

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I don't understand the EU's position on privacy. On the one hand, they enacted GDPR to give you control over access to your personal data. On the other, they need access to all of your data.

The unquestioned view in certain circles - including here - is that when the EU/UK does something that chips away at people's online privacy, there's un ulterior motive. It's entirely possible that politicians just want to do something about CSAM and young people having their mind twisted by social media. The electorate do seem to be keen on some sort of action.

Ban social media then, don't scan everyone's info. We know it's going to end up in the US. They can't claim to be working for the European project if the implement legislation that entrenches US majors and goes against the interest of their citizens.

Re: EU now one step away from reviving private message scanning rules

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I think this should go one step further. If you don't praise the magnificence of your local EU politicians then your car's breaks will stop working and an electric shot will be administered to everyone presently in the car. That will satisfy EU-rocrats. The coming revolution will be well deserved I think.

Man, the paranoid ramblings every time the EU gets mentioned here really are something else...

Then maybe they should stop doing things that invite this nonsense? We've already been down the road of the EU mandating ISPs save all your browsing history with the Data Retention Directive.

At this point the EU has to prove that they are not doing things like that rather than getting the benefit of the doubt.

Re: EU now one step away from reviving private message scanning rules

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The Internet Watch Foundation, an organisation funded by almost all of big tech, is already at work pushing for client side scanning next [1], for the children, of course. [1] https://www.iwf.org.uk/policy-work/preventing-the-upload-of-...

> for the children, of course. Kind of surprised they don't just pitch it as a way to root out Russian propaganda and right-wing extremism. Public opinion would shift overnight. They'd practically demand it!

>Kind of surprised they don't just pitch it as a way to root out Russian propaganda and right-wing extremism. Public opinion would shift overnight. They'd practically demand it!

Because the masses are already pretty damn sick of exactly the demographics and groups that that marketing would garner support from.

Re: EU now one step away from reviving private message scanning rules

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Actually, what are the partisan leanings of the parties actually actively pushing this, since you’ve brought it up? Despite being fairly left-leaning I wouldn’t automatically blame the right for this particular type of invasive nonsense… is this a centrist spawned nuisance, or something?

Aren’t stupidity, shortsightedness, and corruption universal human “values”, well-spread all across the political spectrum?

>Aren’t stupidity, shortsightedness, and corruption universal human “values”, well-spread all across the political spectrum?

We ostracize and marginalize people for doing all sorts of bad shit that is endemic to humanity because minimizing and eliminating those people's ability to affect society improves society.

The fact that people feel entitled to peddle flimsy "for the children" justifications for obvious enabling of authoritarian government (or any other social ill) is the problem. Those people should be as well received as someone who says we need to re-subjugate blacks because 13/50 or whatever. Nobody makes the excuse "cut them some slack tribalism/racism is a universal human value"

If we treated peddlers of the former the way we treat the latter we'd have a lot less of this problem.

Re: EU now one step away from reviving private message scanning rules

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Why stop there? This system can easily be used to target welfare recipients, immigrants, LGBT+ people, black/brown/indigenous people, pretty much any disfavored group of choice! You're just one election away from "that was during the previous term of office" https://media.mullvad.net/web/chatcontrol2_en.jpg

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Pro remigration is a perfectly fine position to hold especially considering most of the remigration would be with people that shouldn't have been allowed to become migrants in the first place like refugees "fleeing" across multiple safe but less well off neighbouring countries who by definition and law should go back at some point but instead got a free ticket to citizenship and all its financial benefits as a results of twisting the definition of this exact word.

Re: EU now one step away from reviving private message scanning rules

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Even if defeated, this is Terminator legislation - it will never stop coming back until it wins.

And then the anti terminator legislation where people will propose to end this over and over until its ended. EU isn't like USA, you have endless proposals in both directions.

I'm surprised that the EU keeps doing this, because every time they do this it pushes more people into the anti-EU camp. That's what the "anti terminator legislation" might end up being.

Re: EU now one step away from reviving private message scanning rules

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Why do you think this is only going to be in Europe? This will be the global norm modulo some astroid hitting earth or civilizational crash. The trajectory is crystal clear: access to information (AI), control over personal finance (CBDC), privacy of personal communications (handful of big tech MITM in everything), metered social interactions (today China, tomorrow the world over).

Well there besides the asteroid there is also the option that involves the blood of patriots and tyrants.

(No offense is intended)

I disagree with the simplistic model you are presenting, as if "patriots" would themselves deal with the matter of (global) governance in our age in a non coercive, "just" or "fair" manner, and not tyranny, whereas the historic record is that all such revolutionary attempts to removal of (perceived) tyranny prove themselves to be even greater tyrants.

Issue is systemic to the human species and our current state of development. Symbolically, we have achieved an excess of technical prowess while our mental and psychological (and here we can fold in spiritualism if you wish) remains underdeveloped. And there is also the (unpleasant but real) fact that various 'noble' human characteristics are not uniformly distributed among our species, regardless of gender, culture, or ethnicity. Humanity is very 'lumpy'. And the fact that some among us are lagging in certain aspects is unplatable but factual.

Many of these control systems being devised by the guvners are in fact addressing this reality. These things are not emerging from a dark pit where malignant humans are plotting against the rest of humanity. Contrary. Many are mind products of some of the best educated and well meaning who are trying to address the realities of our common coexistence on this planet.

In an ideal worlds, there would be no locks, no cops, no jails, no hunger, no oppession.

We do not live in that world.

Beyond our human condition (but certainly driven by it) is technology, which also has its own inherent developmental tendencies.

In my personal view, a mature and balanced approach here would be the insistence that the humans who are entrusted with the operation of these emerging systems of social control and management are the best of us.

Right now, given the pure profit incentive that selects a specific subtype of 'smart and capable' to leading positions, we are facing a hazard. (See Zuck as posterboy of the problem).

Re: EU now one step away from reviving private message scanning rules

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Of course they are. They will boil the frogs slowly until they get the frog soup they so desire. Each time the water gets a little bit too hot (public outrage) they will turn it back down for a bit. Every major global region has this problem. I would tell you the slope is slippery, but I already fell down and cracked my head open. Joking aside, this privacy invasion will keep happening until there are laws passed (a…

The EU already has exactly that! The Charter of Fundamental Rights is binding constitutional law, and the Council's own lawyers said the CC2.0 would probably be annulled by the CJEU if passed. The problem isn't the absence of this constitutional right, it's that constitutional review is retrospective. Someone has to pass the law, it runs for years, harm accumulates, a case reaches the court, and then it gets struck down.

Re: EU now one step away from reviving private message scanning rules

#180
post #114

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I think this should go one step further. If you don't praise the magnificence of your local EU politicians then your car's breaks will stop working and an electric shot will be administered to everyone presently in the car. That will satisfy EU-rocrats. The coming revolution will be well deserved I think.

Man, the paranoid ramblings every time the EU gets mentioned here really are something else...

Yeah man, like ... the EU just wants to control what you say, where you go, what you buy, while themselves are one of the most corrupt organization in the history of Europe, why don't people love them is beyond me.

I think you are confusing what a private citizen is. Focus on the word 'private'. Ursula should know NOTHING about me. I should know everything about Ursula, she lives on MY dime.

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