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Mark Zuckerberg's biggest legal nightmare yet could cost Meta $1.4T
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#172I wonder exactly where everything kind of went south for Mark and his platform, or was this always the goal since Facebook's inception
Arguably, inception
The "Dumb fucks" story is rather well-known
Any reference to it used to get downvoted. HN commenters would argue he has since changed, that he's older and wiser
But I also recall reading about a conversation he had with a classmate who started a similar database of student information at Harvard. Like the Winklevoss twins, he thought Zuckerberg was copying his idea. I believe he went on to create a website of searchable case law. Was his name Greenspan, I can't remember
Anyway, the gist of what I remember is that in a conversation with Greenspan, Zuckerberg specifically cited federal court as the place where his dishonesty would hit a wall, or something like that
Many years and billions of dollars later, it seems like this may be coming true
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#173We look back on the (at the time influential) claim that rock/metal/etc "corrupts the youth" as a quaint moral panic. Modern views about social media are our version of that same silly claim. Future people will look back on all these comments comparing Facebook to crack with the same amused bewilderment as we look back on the PMRC.
This comparison surprises me. There's a difference between content people like organically and content engineered by an army of psychologists to exploit our primal responses.
It's like comparing a baker whose apple pie people genuinely liked and bought, to a company that laced their pie with cocaine to create physical dependency, then bribed stores to stock only theirs for a while.
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#174Corporate Death Penalty is exactly what the country needs to recover from this nightmare.
> Corporate Death Penalty is exactly what the country needs to recover from this nightmare
No. That's a bail-out for Meta. Just assess massive fines. That sidesteps the legal novelty of a "corporate death penalty," together with the fact that just revoking a charter doesn't actually do anything for assets. (Corporate death penalties done right are fines with extra steps. There are many more ways to do it wrong, e.g. thinking revoking a corporate charter means anything.)
The only people who should be arguing for a corporate death penalty right now are Meta's lawyers to distract from the possibility of the real penalty: massive fines.
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#175Meta helps gov w surveillance, so they won't be hit w a $1.4T damage. I imagine a few mil could come out of this tho.
Facebook was originally an NSA project called Lifelog but the NSA couldn't figure out how to make people sign up
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#176I actually like Instagram, primarily for the ads. Most people don’t buy VSTs( music production software plugins ). I spend at least 50$ a month on them. Sunday I spent an hour browsing instagram waiting for an ad to appear again. It wasn’t in my ad history for some reason. I found it and made a purchase. I think these types of sites can work, if users can strictly op into what they see. For the most part my instagram…
I've purchased so many things off Instagram in the past couple of years. I'm building a new house and half of it is going to be filled with Instagram advertised stuff. It just seemed so accurate for the stuff I needed. (my kitchen sink, master shower set, furniture, etc.)
Doesn't that creep you out?
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#177Earlier quoted context omitted.
"You are not immune to propaganda" is a phrase that doesn't hit hard enough. It applies to you dear reader, yes you , not u/baggachipz.. YOU. I am also not immune, I believe myself to be, constantly. My worldview is truth and I am "open to other ideas"- yet I have very obviously anchored myself to things the first time I hear of them, despite actively making steps to try to see all angles and explain away facts with…
Sure, but lots of people are way more susceptible. Self-reflection is important here. The ability to question one's state and beliefs is the only tool to combat propaganda. Most people don't seem to do that; they parrot party lines and stay glued to their "news" networks.
Which beliefs have you questioned lately?
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#178Meta is a symptom; the whole business is rotten. We've all heard the vocabulary: engagement maximization, a/b testing, emotional targeting, ad auctions, user surveillance, sentiment analysis. Children are not emotionally or intellectually prepared to repel this hostile takeover of their minds. Civilization needs to rein in all these terrible things corporations do to humans.
> Children are not emotionally or intellectually prepared to repel this hostile takeover of their minds. Then their parents shouldn't let them use the internet. I find it interesting that so much of how people think about morality involves attributing free will unevenly. I.e. "facebook execs" are using their free will to addict people but those people have no ability to resist. It's so obviously corrosive to think so…
What do you think it's like to be a child when all your friends have InstaTok and you don't?
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#179Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don’t solely rely on Instagram for this. My more expensive VSTs, the complete Korg Collection, I purchased after owning Korg Gadget for a while. But if I see something cool for 20$ on instagram, why not? > 3. spent time learning to build your own plugins or VCV Rack modules. I don’t like C++ or other low level programming languages. I guess I could now vibe code something, but then the comments would chastise me fo…
>but then the comments would chastise me for that. Who gives a shit? You use AI to vibecode a tool you use to make music...cool, if it works for you and you make cool music with it, good. Honestly, nobody would even know, unless you disclosed it. A filter is a filter is a filter. If you built one by writing all the code yourself, great. If a LLM generates the code for a filter, and you use it in your tracks, cool, it…
> Make music for yourself my friend. Nobody will care how its made if it's cool music.
Exactly, and I prefer using instagram VSTs.
Last night I wasted 30$ trying to vibe code a midi tool that doesn’t work. Many of the same externalities that apply to social media also apply to AI…
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#180Earlier quoted context omitted.
What traditional media doesn't attempt to keep its users engaged? The local broadcast news makes you watch for half an hour to an hour, with a quarter of the time being ads, plus more sponsored segments, constantly teasing the headline news subject, which could have been a 100-word article. They take half a page of printed news and draw it out as long as they can, trying to bait you the whole time. YouTube channels'…
Trying to keep people engaged on your 30 minute long news segment is a lot different than trying to keep them engaged every free waking moment they have
News is famously 24 hours, and will always tell you to tune in at 8/9/10 PM to find out why the country is in a shambles/your home is under attack/the aliens are coming to abduct you.