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Re: Europe's company websites are mostly served by US vendors

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I get your point, and even in Italy we have Banca Sella (first one that comes to mind) which is a great way to collect payments with a local processor. But it's not Stripe... Stripe is not just an integration for Link or Card payments, and payment fees are actually not that bad. Developer experience matters most to me. Plus, I agree there are alternatives to a basic Stripe implementation, but what about Stripe Connec…

Right, because you're looking for a Stripe alternative, none of them will be. Did you actually try searching what I told you you could use as a search term? Have you looked into Mollie, Adyen, Klarna, Mangopay, Quickpay, etc? The list is quite large, there are options available but again, it requires you to proactively review and compare them, not just throw your hands in the air proclaiming "It's not Stripe".

Interesting things. What is your opinion on Helcim (though it seems to be US/Canadian?) but your comment made me do a bit of digging because I think that I know fairly well about the server side of things but I still somewhat believed that stripe was the cheapest options in general. Thanks for making me get into this rabbit hole I suppose, I do like these rabbit holes though :-D

So do you have more information about normal payment processors in general which are more competitive than Stripe. The comment below by @khurs for example shows that Stripe is actually a bit cheaper than Mollie for Amex cards (which you respond with the point that most European demographic doesn't use Amex cards etc.)

but I am non-european, non-US so I have no skin in the game and I wish to support those which are mutually beneficial to me in terms of providing me a very decent deal and hopefully good support as well. So what do you suggest me some more resources about and would there be anything better than Stripe.

I absolutely know that AWS and others are so overpriced that I sometimes even used to wonder why people might buy it if OVH and Hetzner exists (before price increase, perhaps it can still be price competitive sometimes though)

But interestingly, I didn't believe the same for Stripe, so I am re-thinking my belief about Stripe and payment processing in general too (which to be fair, tangentially might also perhaps be the same way some people might feel about AWS). So I'd be curious to learn more! :-D

Edit: just did some more digging and as an Indian, we have UPI payments which there are some providers of but there is an option iirc for us to directly have a bank account and do a lot of payment processing so much more easier with UPI ourselves and basically pay 0% for Indian specific traffic as India heavily uses UPI (its really good to be honest!) and there are some providers like carefree/razorpay as well which can accept UPI on their side at 1.6-2% if you want API and are just starting out

But I am curious about accepting European/American/Canadian cards though. It seems that carefree/razorpay are recommended if targetting Indian markets and Helcim for American/canadian and Adyen/Mollie are recommended for European centric markets. So I'd be curious to hear your opinions about it.

Re: Europe's company websites are mostly served by US vendors

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what Europe option anyway ???? other than US another power that can fill up the space is China or are european saying china is better than US ????

It's certainly easier to do business with countries that aren't governed by a psychotic moron that likes to threaten your cost equation on a weekly basis to enrich its cronies

...and you're saying this as a point to why dealing with China is easier?

Re: Europe's company websites are mostly served by US vendors

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That part makes sense to me. If one has ever tried to announce an ARIN IP in the EU or a RIPE IP in the US they will send warnings that the allocations will be pulled back if that is not fixed. Been there, done that. The root servers were created in the US. To have RIPE IP addresses I would imagine would require ARIN to set up some partnership but there again that gets into management and politics in their organizati…

> If one has ever tried to announce an ARIN IP in the EU or a RIPE IP in the US they will send warnings that the allocations will be pulled back if that is not fixed. Who are "they" in this case?

ARIN, RIPE, APNIC, AFRINIC, LACNIC. If you have announced addresses from one in the others region and have not received warnings it's just a matter of time. ARIN is the most vigilant. There was a time they used to do ping sweeps and nag people about not utilizing their addresses which led to my putting a 1U server on a /17, /19 and some smaller networks with Labrea responding to pings for all of it. They stopped doing that which led to people hoarding IPv4 space and now putting a monetary value on it which is dumb dumb dumb.

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Fake news? > Mollie will retry the failed payment up to 5 times. https://docs.mollie.com/docs/recurring-payments

Oh, interesting, I stand corrected! I was investigating this 5 months ago and the answer their slop machine gave was: > Does Mollie retry failed payments (dunning) and track subscription states? Mollie does not currently provide automatic dunning or retry logic for failed subscription payments. Subscription states like active or past due are tracked, but you need to implement retry and notification logic in your syst…

Can't help you as I've not used it. If it's a new feature feedback might accomplish something.

Re: Europe's company websites are mostly served by US vendors

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what Europe option anyway ???? other than US another power that can fill up the space is China or are european saying china is better than US ????

I don’t remember the last time China threatened to invade Denmark? I do remember the last time the USA did. It was hours ago at a NATO summit.

Greenland invasion is just a joke

no one take Trump seriously

Re: Europe's company websites are mostly served by US vendors

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Cool, but, the thing is… even though CF is genuinely very good at what they do, I do not think that they have real moat. Nor does any other CDN provider have it.

The top 5 CDNs in terms of popularity are all US-based companies. However, Bunny and other providers are growing and becoming real market competitors.

Switching from Microsoft, Amazon, or heavy Google-based infra to on-prem or other vendors is much more complicated than switching the CDN.

CDNs are a very replaceable component. Basically a DNS record update away, and a bit of config.

Re: Europe's company websites are mostly served by US vendors

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There isn't going to be "EU tech" as long as US can access the EU market as freely because for the mainstream anything it doesn't make sense to have a duplication effort for the EU. USA is/was easier to start business and get funding, you can access Europe just as well from there so why bother with the European based stuff if you are targeting a broad market? After Trump now there is a reason to actually go for Europ…

EU population: 450 million + 70m UK USA population: 348 million The problem is that many of europe's top talent moves to USA, and also that American funding for European startups is huge, and many are made to relocate/IPO in USA too.

Also, many of the successful European companies are bought up by US companies.

Re: Europe's company websites are mostly served by US vendors

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Interesting read. Canada would be even more US-skewed. Canada is lacking in large domestic cloud providers and Canadian companies often use the default US regions of public clouds (e.g. AWS us-east-1) rather than Canada regions (e.g. ca-central-1).

As Paul Krugman wrote, Canada is closer to the US than to itself https://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/01/13/eh/>.
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