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IRecognition: I am no longer Apple's Target Market

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Re: IRecognition: I am no longer Apple's Target Market

#171
post #51

The ironic ending of the blog post is interesting. He's running Ubuntu... on a MacBook Pro. Even if you hate the software and all things iOS, it's hard to find a better designed laptop.

"Apple, I am done with you! I shall throw out this $2000 laptop, and purchase a Thinkpad, because I cannot see any way to get any more use out of the hardware I have now!"

Sell it before it depreciates further, buy a ThinkPad with half the change and go on holiday for a couple of days?

Re: IRecognition: I am no longer Apple's Target Market

#172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The issue here is that recent releases of OSX have sucked more than some earlier releases of OSX, and it's annoying some people. The hardware is now even more locked down than ever. These are facts. Does it mean you have to stop using a mac? No. Does it mean that some people are moving away from macs? Yes. Does it mean you need to rage because there's an article that mentions 'fan boys'? Not really. Chill out. If you…

>> If you have any cognant and articulate arguments why this guys opinion (which I happen to currently share) is a stupid opinion to have, by all means, I'm interested... Nowhere did I say his opinion was stupid, I'm not one to judge opinions. All I'm saying is that I don't see any value in reading it, particularly not in the context of HN. The cognant and articulate argument (?) here is that the internet has plenty…

> All I'm saying is that I don't see any value in reading it, particularly not in the context of HN.

OT: Do not read the article. Furthermore, do not comment on the article, nor should yo up vote it. If you feel the article violates some aspect of HN, flag it.

However, if your reason for commenting is to just say: "I don't see any value in reading it, particularly not in the context of HN." then you are not contributing. You are, by admission, contributing less than the article you are commenting on.

This is not an attack. Merely an observation. You value the quality of HN. Be the quality. Don't be the problem.

On another note. You say:

"I'm not one to judge opinions."

But then you go on to judge the article, an opinion, and it's worthiness:

"All I'm saying is that I don't see any value in reading it, particularly not in the context of HN."

> Or, maybe it's just me, and other people really feel enlightened and satisfied after reading this article... :-/

People enjoy different things. You do not want to judge, so don't. =) The best thing you can do to promote what you want to see on HN is to promote those very things. Spending time contributing to things you don't enjoy does not help.

Re: IRecognition: I am no longer Apple's Target Market

#173
post #15

Apple is making the exact same mistake the RIM made. They've gone from targeting hardcore fans, to targeting teenagers. The problem is that teenagers are quick to jump ship to the coolest new thing. Apple has been making "coolest new thing" for a while, but they're getting really popular now, which seems to be inversely proportional to "cool". For RIM, they moved away from targeting hardcore, email-addicted business…

What happened to RIM is that all they were left with was their hardcore, email-addicted, security minded end users and corporations. But that proved to be a small subset of their overall user base. The majority (me) jumped ship when the iPhone came along. Why? Mobile email was critical to us because we were always on the move. The apps that you could get on the iPhone - whether a 2 hour movie for a plane ride or a fl…

The RIM situation was even worse than you describe. It was actually very similar to Nextel's earlier fast rise and collapse.

They saw erosion in their enterprise sales, but missed the fact that the superior web browsing experience and eventually applications on the iPhone was driving folks away. They honestly thought that their keyboard was still a key differentiator that folks cared about.

So they stuffed the channel in the low end of the market, and pushed the cheap text messaging of BBM as the core offering. Suddenly sketchy cell phone kiosks are pushing BlackBerries, and they became the new T-Mobile Sidekick. Just like with Nextel, that low end push tainted the brand, as thugs and drug dealers learned quickly that BBM (like DirectConnect) was initially not interceptable.

Re: IRecognition: I am no longer Apple's Target Market

#174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> Maybe you should also stop stereotyping whoever hurts your Mac fan feelings. Just cut the emotional crap, it appears to impair your ability to see the point I'm trying to make. I've been using Linux and OS X alongside each other for over a decade, and many other *nix derivatives at work. I just pick the right tool for the right job, and more often than not, a Mac running OS X turns out to be the choice that offers…

The issue here is that recent releases of OSX have sucked more than some earlier releases of OSX, and it's annoying some people. The hardware is now even more locked down than ever. These are facts. Does it mean you have to stop using a mac? No. Does it mean that some people are moving away from macs? Yes. Does it mean you need to rage because there's an article that mentions 'fan boys'? Not really. Chill out. If you…

Lets address the "facts" you posit.

1. Recent releases of OSX have sucked more than earlier releases? Can't agree with that. I've used OSX since the beta days, and both Lion and ML are far more polished and usable. OSX was like a breath of fresh air compared to OS9, so of course it "felt" better. But there were tons of bugs that have slowly been stomped out. You may not like some of the current features of OSX ML, but the previous versions aren't unequivocally better.

2. Hardware lockdown. I have fond memories of using a kitchen knife to open up a Mac mini to replace memory. Yesterday I bumped my 2012 mini to 16GB with a simple twist. The Mac Pro is the same as it was when released. Some of the notebooks are more accessible, some less so. Replacing the hard drive on my wife's G4 powerbook involved something like 30 screws, and hoping that I didn't bend anything out of tolerance. Today that's far different; even the MacBook air has fewer parts and steps involved.

Re: IRecognition: I am no longer Apple's Target Market

#175

The ironic ending of the blog post is interesting. He's running Ubuntu... on a MacBook Pro. Even if you hate the software and all things iOS, it's hard to find a better designed laptop.

I've been trying to kick the Apple habit since I got my first tiBook, which was the _revelation_ for me at the time, that Apple of all people were producing the Unix laptop, and also making the physicality of the thing badass. So, in my effort to stay true to my Unix'ish roots, I've gotten a Motorola Lapdock real cheap, its at least as comfy as a macbook Air, and I'm plugging in things like .. raspberryPi, MK802/808…

> they /really/ lost me at the drop of the MacbookPro17"

I feel your pain! It was the only laptop with enough screen real estate and power to work as a desktop on the road.

But lately with the increasingly draconian carry-on restrictions I've downsized my luggage, and turns out my MPB17 just barely doesn't fit in a 16x13x7 bag (that fits in the new commuter jet regs). The MBPr15 fits, has more screen res, and is lighter. So I had been planning an upgrade. If the new MBPr13 had dual graphics I'd be willing to even go with that as it would fit in my puddle jumper bag's outside pocket.

But... This past year the outsized MBP17 had me trying out my iPad 3 instead, and now I'm not sure I need a laptop for travel at all.

Re: IRecognition: I am no longer Apple's Target Market

#176
post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Zero upgradeability (in the sense of zero need to upgrade: does not break, is powerful enough) is a good sign of well designed.

So the SSD is going to work forever? Because that is what I am afraid of.

Upgradeability != repairability.

Re: IRecognition: I am no longer Apple's Target Market

#177

It's simply stunning to me to see how long it's taken the computer geeks to work this out. Apple stopped making toys for you over a decade ago and you are only just realising it now? I guess this is another consequence of the filter bubble. As all we read on the internet is the opinion of other geeks, we forget that geeks are hopelessly outnumbered by normals and they are the ones Apple is targeting and reaping the r…

Please stop with the "geeks and normals" meme. It does nothing but make you sound elitist.

Re: IRecognition: I am no longer Apple's Target Market

#178
post #88

I don't get this. Why are you using svbtle theme if you don't belong to the svbtle community ? I know there is some wordpress theme out there that clones svbtle but it's not an excuse. Using svbtle theme does not make you smarter.

Perhaps he found the clone and liked it. It is possible he had no idea what svbtle is. It's also possible he does not care.

Knowing he is not in svbtle does not make you smarter.

Re: IRecognition: I am no longer Apple's Target Market

#179
These articles are such a load of crap, for a simple reason: Mac is still the development environment for iPad, and Apple is all about Apps, Apps, Apps.

OS X is better and faster than it has ever been. It's not any more locked down than it has ever been. It has more features than it ever has. Apple's laptops are less upgradable, but since when have laptops been particularly upgradable?

You can do "real work" on an iPad. It's a phenomenal machine for consuming and producing text. As a lawyer I spend my life reading or writing text. The retina screen is an absolute revelation for that. I can't run CAD programs on it, but then again I never did on my Mac either.

Re: IRecognition: I am no longer Apple's Target Market

#180

The ironic ending of the blog post is interesting. He's running Ubuntu... on a MacBook Pro. Even if you hate the software and all things iOS, it's hard to find a better designed laptop.

I actually didn't mind OSX too much, but the using my work provided MBP was an experience in frustration. The usability was horrible compared to my thinkpad, and I ended up leaving it docked as a desktop mostly. Every corner of the MBP is rounded except the edge that your wrists actually come into contact with, which are sharp and leave painful marks. The trackpad lacked actual "mouse buttons" which made a simple tas…

If your wrists are in contact with the front edge, your desk is probably too high and you might be much more comfortable at a lower height (even beyond the sharp-edge issue, your shoulders may thank you).

Or to quote Steve Jobs, "you're holding it wrong." ;-)

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