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Zuckerberg 'Admits' Meta's Layoffs Were Ineffective

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Re: Zuckerberg 'Admits' Meta's Layoffs Were Ineffective

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That's true to a point, but Amazon is finding out the hard way that eventually the well of people willing to put up with bullshit runs dry and it becomes much harder to get actually good talent or workers. Meta needs to be careful IMO. The subset of capable people willing to work for a company as demonstrably evil as them is not infinite.

Oh I have not heard about the Amazon issue. Can you please point me to an article or post detailing? Now I'm very curious.

This [0] refers to their warehouse workers, but I've heard of similar problems during the earlier 2020s engineer hiring boom (on reddit iirc)

0: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/jun/22/amazon-wo...

Re: Zuckerberg 'Admits' Meta's Layoffs Were Ineffective

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No? > I think we have the answer to is Zuckerberg a "dimwitted or just evil". It's probably the former

So you think he's not dimwitted? And instead of making an argument you just insulted the OP needlessly? Let me guess is your argument: "He built a trillion dollar company and you didn't"

> So you think he's not dimwitted?

Correct.

> He built a trillion dollar company and you didn't

Did the startup thing then became a world class CEO for 20 years. Yep.

Re: Zuckerberg 'Admits' Meta's Layoffs Were Ineffective

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In retrospect, he said, the “trajectory of the agentic development over at least the last four months hasn’t really accelerated in the way that we expected,” and that the company’s bets on the new structure “haven’t come to fruition yet.” Zuckerberg was referring to AI agents, automated systems that can execute tasks on behalf of a user. Conversations he was having “with our top people” when they started planning the…

> Amazon now mandates senior engineers to sign off on AI-generated code

This will never work because then you are expecting the more experienced people to be reviewing endless slop coming from less experienced people. They will either do a bad job to comply or just quit

Re: Zuckerberg 'Admits' Meta's Layoffs Were Ineffective

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I don't mean it in a "super bowl commercial" way; the products in Instagram ads are the consistently interesting part. It seems like a safe assumption that the advertisers for plenty of uninteresting products are trying to buy ads on Instagram, and that the advertisers for plenty of interesting products are trying to buy ads elsewhere. That means that Instagram's targeting is the differentiating factor.

I guess my argument is that it's not innovative or "hard" to sell ads to people who have given you massive amounts of personal and demographic information (voluntarily!)

Both Google and Amazon know a great deal about me and my purchasing habits. Neither shows me ads that feel very relevant.

Re: Zuckerberg 'Admits' Meta's Layoffs Were Ineffective

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I wonder when (if ever) the companies realize that demoralizing your workforce (and destroying that sector of the job market) doesn't have only advantages. I know plenty of people that reacted with the desired fear, putting in long hours to avoid layoffs, willingness to accept lower pay because the job market sucks, etc. - but I think there are also plenty of the the mythical 10x engineers that just checked out, stop…

Yeah, working harder to avoid a layoff in a big company doesn't really work out - by the time you know about the layoffs they've probably already made their decisions about who stays and goes anyway. Plus that higher rate of effort might be unsustainable and you end up leaving on your own accord anyway or burning out. Layoffs somewhat change the employment arrangement too for the people that stay: "we pay you the sam…

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Re: Zuckerberg 'Admits' Meta's Layoffs Were Ineffective

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I wonder when (if ever) the companies realize that demoralizing your workforce (and destroying that sector of the job market) doesn't have only advantages. I know plenty of people that reacted with the desired fear, putting in long hours to avoid layoffs, willingness to accept lower pay because the job market sucks, etc. - but I think there are also plenty of the the mythical 10x engineers that just checked out, stop…

If you don't think companies realize this I suggest you talk to some leaders. It's a very obvious issue with any layoff and is why they are usually the last option.

Re: Zuckerberg 'Admits' Meta's Layoffs Were Ineffective

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The title is a weird. Ineffective? At doing what? This is an interesting quote from Zuckerberg: > trajectory of the agentic development over at least the last four months hasn’t really accelerated in the way that we expected Combine that with the other theories about Meta management in the article, I think we have the answer to is Zuckerberg a "dimwitted or just evil". It's probably the former. He can't plan four mon…

Zuckerberg was never a great strategist. The only good strategic decisions that he was ever made were the acquisitions of Instagram and Whatsapp. Almost everything else was either completely misguided, way too late, or executed so poorly that it could never work. Meta is basically the Temu version of Google. Google also goes wrong a lot, and they are mostly resting on their big successes from years ago, but they stil…

Zuckerberg may not be a great strategist, but your two exceptions (WhatsApp and instagram) easily cover all the failures. This is sort of like saying “he’s a bad hitter, except for the grand slam”. Or more appropriately for HN, like saying “he’s a bad venture investor, other than the two fund returning investments.”

Re: Zuckerberg 'Admits' Meta's Layoffs Were Ineffective

#180

I wonder when (if ever) the companies realize that demoralizing your workforce (and destroying that sector of the job market) doesn't have only advantages. I know plenty of people that reacted with the desired fear, putting in long hours to avoid layoffs, willingness to accept lower pay because the job market sucks, etc. - but I think there are also plenty of the the mythical 10x engineers that just checked out, stop…

If you don't think companies realize this I suggest you talk to some leaders. It's a very obvious issue with any layoff and is why they are usually the last option.

What options did they go through before the current cross-industry trend became massive recurring layoffs then I wonder
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