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US Supreme Court Just Blew Up EU-US Data Transfers

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Post by CalRobert »

expedition32 wrote: post #167
CalRobert wrote: post #88

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Alternately, it should roll out the red carpet for American entrepreneurs, scientists, and talent who want to try moving here and having a go of things in Europe. The Dutch American Friendship Treaty accidentally enables this and has become quite popular, but is only for one country.

I am not too sure about that. Every US expat is a sleeper agent waiting for the CIA to call. Their loyalty will always be to America and unquestionable loyalty to the White House.

Well I suppose Europe can start its own manzanar if it comes to it.

Emigrants aren’t really known for their patriotism.

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Post by CalRobert »

ligne wrote: post #165
CalRobert wrote: post #93

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Tbf it could reduce hiring friction and make it easier to take a chance on a riskier hire. Also makes it easier for workers to change jobs, notice periods here can be outright insane (3 months in some cases) and even as an employee I hated them.

It reduces risk for employers by piling it onto employees, who are also probably in a worse position to bear it.

Arguably this is the reason it should be borne by the government, not companies. This is one option https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flexicurity

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Post by joe_mamba »

kakacik wrote: post #141
joe_mamba wrote: post #118

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And then what's gonna happen to the (already fucked)Dutch housing market? > it should roll out the red carpet for American entrepreneurs, scientists, and talent who want to try moving here and having a go of things in Europe Only if it's bidirectional. If Americans can gentrify me out of the EU housing market with their higher purchasing power, then I should also have access to their labor market for those six figure…

Maybe build more? I know folks who already own properties hate this little trick, but its pretty effective in solving this. Maybe you've not heard but there is more people than 50-100 years ago when many buildings were built, and disproportionally more in bigger cities where most well paid work is. There are other factors like zoning and other laws, mentality of given population etc but gist is above.

>Maybe build more?

Not up to me. I'm not a politician. And like you said, property owners hate it and they are majority.

But it's just as easy to oppose gentrification from wealthy Americans without equal terms in exchange. It has the same effect on supply/demand.

Otherwise, I'll be forced to vote for the most radical and vindictive politicians out of spite to see the world burn if I see my government prioritizes wealthy foreigners and throws me under the bus.

Every action has an equal and opposite reaction.

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Post by atoav »

nickslaughter02 wrote: post #54
atoav wrote: post #3

As a European citizen I do not trust entities located in the US to not abuse my private data ever since the patriot act. If it was me that deal would have never came to be. If some EU entity decides to use Microsoft 365 can Microsoft guarantee that it won't give access to one US government agency or another? It really can't. Because if that EU entity wants to act in accordance with EU law, this matters. This is what…

> As a European citizen I do not trust entities located in the US to not abuse my private data ever since the patriot act. EU is working on mandating scans of all your private encrypted messages right now. EU data protection is marketing for the gullible. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48707719

No news to me. Reactionary authoritarians are a threat to freedom everywhere.

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Post by joe_mamba »

CalRobert wrote: post #154
joe_mamba wrote: post #118

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And then what's gonna happen to the (already fucked)Dutch housing market? > it should roll out the red carpet for American entrepreneurs, scientists, and talent who want to try moving here and having a go of things in Europe Only if it's bidirectional. If Americans can gentrify me out of the EU housing market with their higher purchasing power, then I should also have access to their labor market for those six figure…

Wow, if only it were possible to build new homes. Might mean less parking though! Anyway, the number of Europeans starting companies in California suggests something is deeply wrong in Europe. Incidentally DAFT is nominally bidirectional, but as usual the US makes it more onerous. There’s a similar agreement with NL and Japan, actually.

>Wow, if only it were possible to build new homes.

Can we do it in your back yard?

I like how people assume every country has unlimited free space for housing and all you have to do is just build more.

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Post by joe_mamba »

seydor wrote: post #155
tancop wrote: post #140

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bans and limits just hurt consumers and freedom of speech. data regulation is useless as you said. what china actually did is a lot better. they ignored decades worth of friedman inspired economic "theory" and started directly investing in their own industry. most successful chinese tech companies are a joint venture between state owned, municipal and private capital. you can get loans way under market rate if you ha…

FWIW the EU is a basically a large subsidies-handing body. They do pick winners (like with solar companies) but it did not work.

When those in charge of handing out the subsidies are both corrupt and incompetent, it's tough to make it work.

Unless of course, the point of the EU subsidies is just to be a wealth transfer program from the taxpayers to politically connected corporations.

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Post by rixed »

frereubu wrote: post #39
rixed wrote: post #25

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Who do you want to abuse your private data then? Some administration closer to home? It's well overdue to take seriously and put all our efforts behind the many (various but little known) local-first initiatives. See for instance: https://elfaconsortium.eu/ It's a race against time.

> Who do you want to abuse your private data then? Some administration closer to home? This is a very bad-faith question. If you want people to take you seriously, at least give them the respect of trying to argue with a strong, good-faith interpretation of what they're saying.

Irony is not bad faith.

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Post by 0xy »

amarant wrote: post #31

Doing business with the US is just impossible these days. If this trend continues any further the US is gonna end up a piranha state with no allies and no business partners. I'm really not sure what consequences that'll have for the rest of the world, but it looks like we're about to find out

The EU will rely on US tech forever because it is literally not possible to create an EU alternative in that business climate. There are no major EU clouds, nor are there any major EU software services and there never will be because the EU is the worst place in the entire world for startups (try starting a company in Germany or France).

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Post by ethbr1 »

shevy-java wrote: post #78
manueltgomes wrote: post #49

Switching to EU companies is often the solution, but also we're in a tricky position in Europe since alternatives exist but can't compete with US. So finding European alternatives is possible but hard. Also EU is doing its job enforcing privacy and anti-competition laws but then American companies just say "feature not available in EU" (like Apple is doing more and more for example), making things even harder to swit…

This is even worse. For instance, in a medical university, we recently were told we need a smartphone and install an app from Google store (!!!), in order to read emails sent out by officials at the medical university. I protested to that but they had a deal already with the private company and their signature meant they had to keep on being addicted to that private company, so now I am locked out of receiving emails…

Imho, the missing component here (in both the EU and US) is an individual right to access covered services.

Where "access" is specifically defined as full functionality on a device of an individual's choice, and offers safe harbor for example options. Like HTML over HTTP (without javascript) or REST APIs.

This should be built on top of existing accessibility requirements, with the goal of preventing not having a Google / Apple smartphone from being an access barrier.

"Covered services" should be defined two-fold, either by market share above a certain threshold or services that are required for normal life/studying/work (and tied to any public funding).

It should be default illegal for entities to make bargains with Google/Apple (or app developers) that exclusively rely on certified devices, except for extremely limited special circumstances.

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Post by CalRobert »

joe_mamba wrote: post #175
CalRobert wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow, if only it were possible to build new homes. Might mean less parking though! Anyway, the number of Europeans starting companies in California suggests something is deeply wrong in Europe. Incidentally DAFT is nominally bidirectional, but as usual the US makes it more onerous. There’s a similar agreement with NL and Japan, actually.

>Wow, if only it were possible to build new homes. Can we do it in your back yard? I like how people assume every country has unlimited free space for housing and all you have to do is just build more.

Yes! Please yes! I’d love to see more homes built in my town near Utrecht and have supported plans to do so. It’s idyllic and we should try to help more people who want to live like this be able to do so.

Ironically my childhood home in California has a Dutch family living in it. Small world.

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