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Military branches restore flu shot requirement after virus swept through base

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Re: Military branches restore flu shot requirement after virus swept through base

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You'd think other aspects of health, like general fitness and mental well-being would be factored in too, but strangely, the only requirement they seemed to take a hard stance on previously was over-vaccination. Almost like it was politically-motivated and it's not truthfully a "matter of national security"

If they could make every soldier super jacked, buff, zen masters with just an annual injection I guarantee you they would order that too.

And why not? Every vaccine currently on the market is safe and effective.

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> If it was Ebola instead of COVID-19, 1000% guaranteed that all those antivaxxers would have been banging down the doors to get a vaccine, and would have been raging if the government hadn't rushed it out. All their antivax outrage was because they didn't think they personally were going to die from COVID, and didn't want to help save anyone else's life. I think you are largely right, but I dont think they have any…

> I dont think they have any obligation to save anyone else's life. That’s the problem with republicans. They reject basic tenets of a society. You do have a responsibility to do the absolute minimum to not harm other people.

Yeah, they just see it the other way. That people should accepted a chance of harm when they participate in society.

Any accommodation beyond that is them doing a favor, not an obligation.

This is why they get so reactionary when compelled.

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> If it was Ebola instead of COVID-19, 1000% guaranteed that all those antivaxxers would have been banging down the doors to get a vaccine, and would have been raging if the government hadn't rushed it out. All their antivax outrage was because they didn't think they personally were going to die from COVID, and didn't want to help save anyone else's life. I think you are largely right, but I dont think they have any…

> I dont think they have any obligation to save anyone else's life. I reject this framing, the person here is not a passive observer in the first place, they are a participant with obligations. Consider a pet dog: You aren't merely responsible if it bites someone after-the-fact, you also have a proactive obligation for a reasonable level of control and monitoring, so that your erratic property doesn't harm another pe…

Yeah, they just see it the other way. That people should accepted a chance of harm when they participate in society. Any accommodation beyond that is them doing a favor, not an obligation.

This is why they get so reactionary when compelled.

I think your liability example illustrates this. They wouldn't argue that the other person knew and accepted the risks when hanging out with Mr Cool and want that to be the social expectation.

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And stupidity is intelligence. Democracy dies when stupid people become convinced that they know best and have all the answers.

Wait no? Democracy works exactly because of this? We just poll all the people, including the dumb ones, and then average out the answers. The dumbs all cancel out in the end. (Yes, of course , I know it is a lot more complex than this) The whole point of democracy is that we don't know what is the dumb or smart answer so we have these complex functions and dances to squeeze out the best one we can think of at the tim…

> We just poll all the people […]

Not if the Republicans had their way:

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/REDMAP

Re: Military branches restore flu shot requirement after virus swept through base

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Are you sure? Your link ends with this: > Combined with the brutal arithmetic at higher R0R_0 R0 , this is a large part of why flu vaccination programs are generally justified on individual protection against illness and severe outcomes rather than on a realistic expectation of achieving herd immunity and stopping circulation. On the one hand, in a military setting you can feasibly achieve 100% compliance. But if you…

I mean, I would say that preventing 40% of disease (depending on what you're measuring, etc etc) is not marginal. I guess I'd turn it around and ask, if 40% is marginal, what number would not be marginal, and why do you draw the line there? (For me, "marginal" would mean that the costs were roughly equal to the benefits. I think you'd have a hard time convincing me that saving the lives of even just 1% of the people…

The relevant question for me would be how many people would be combat ineffective for how long with and without the flu vaccine. Your Claude conversation says things like this:

"The best recent direct measurement is the FLUTES study (JAMA Network Open, 2024), which tracked secondary infections after flu entered US households across 2017–2020. The result: the estimated effectiveness of influenza vaccines for preventing secondary infections among household contacts was 21.0% (95% CI, 1.4% to 36.7%). Note how wide that confidence interval is — the lower bound is nearly zero."

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"This is consistent with older household work. A 2013 study found no evidence that vaccination prevented household transmission once influenza was introduced; adults were at particular risk despite vaccination — strikingly, 9 of 11 adults with household-acquired influenza were vaccinated in that sample."

So most people on base who were going to get infected and transmit are still going to do so. Some portion of them have a better time with the illness if it does come around, which won't happen all the time. Contrast that with the costs of the program (side effects, time, whatever cons you can think of), and it seems like you might not be in slam dunk territory.

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Secretary Hegseth earned a BA from Princeton and an MPP from Harvard. Princeton and Harvard are graduating idiots?

Thank goodness! Such a relief! In that case, since he went to Princeton and Harvard, we shouldn’t consider his actions idiotic. Instead his actions are malicious intent.

But you didn't just say Hegseths actions are idiotic (fwiw I think they are), you said Hegseth is an idiot. The evidence suggests he is not.

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What does this mean

Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. See: viruses and the efficacy of vaccines thereupon.

See: trans-women are human males.

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Young people want the benefits like the promised free college, but don't want to get sent off to die for a cause nobody believes in and nobody approved.

Add this to the list of reasons the US will never have nationalized free education or even student loan reform.

Also forgiving a loan that both parties signed willingly is dumb and solves nothing.

Re: Military branches restore flu shot requirement after virus swept through base

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Secretary Hegseth earned a BA from Princeton and an MPP from Harvard. Princeton and Harvard are graduating idiots?

Thank goodness! Such a relief! In that case, since he went to Princeton and Harvard, we shouldn’t consider his actions idiotic. Instead his actions are malicious intent.

There was another article about cheating at Brown that said Princeton hasn't proctored tests since the 19th century so maybe you are right and Hegseth is an idiot but still managed to cheat his way through school.
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